From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #277 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Mon, 18 June 2001 Vol 08 : Num 277 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Rocky eskrima: Re: Best martial art for short people eskrima: Re: Renegade Speaks Again eskrima: A slight correction, Ms. J eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #276 eskrima: RE: Tapi Tapi eskrima: RE: Tapi Tapi eskrima: RE: Victor de Thouars Videos with Guro Dan ??? eskrima: Re: San Migual? eskrima: Re:Pak Victor/Guru Dan eskrima: not too late to make a friend eskrima: PHILIPPINES Public Announcement eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "johnaleen" Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 22:31:56 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re: Rocky from Rocky***Thanks Ms. J.*** Hey your Most welcome Rocky and thanks for getting the Ms. J part down........:) Ms. J.... Bows Deeply... ------------------------------ From: Todd Ellner Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 19:36:56 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: Best martial art for short people I don't know which is best for short people. But I do have an interesting observation from the Serak class we're in. Tiel (my wife) is certainly the shortest person in the class. She also has the best Silat and can shut down the attacks of much bigger, longer limbed people. Todd ------------------------------ From: "Ernest Westbrook" Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 03:41:47 -0000 Subject: eskrima: Re: Renegade Speaks Again wnyima@hotmail.com, aka The Renegade wrote: >Greetings all, >I would like to thank everyone who has mailed me privately showing >their support. The response has been overwhelming! I feel that I must >clarify my position on my last statement and a couple of issues. It >is >evident that at least one member of the digest is looking deeper >into my >statement than needed. Perhaps, but maybe you did not look deep enough into what I wrote in support of you, in terms of your being "stroked" by the new IMAF leadership or my contention that you did the correct and honorable thing in not exploiting Professor Presas' illness. Oh well! - ---Deleted #1--- >2. Prof. Presas' knowledge of what is going on. Prof. only knows >what he >has been told! The information has been censored since his >illness. There >is no need to get him upset over things that won't >help his health. Being >cut off, sheltered or hidden, the result >is all the same. He does not know about many things that are >happening at >this time. This is probably very true at this time - as of June 10 or 11; however if one reads the comments posted November 24, 2000, on the IMAF website: Professor Presas was involved, in fact, he allegedly led the IMAF reorgainzation discussion. Hence, my statement and questions to you, which you have not answered, :On the other hand, I must note that I have not seen any endorsement :for you or your new organiization by your friend and master :instructor Professor Presas. He seems to be solidly behind the new :IMAF leaders. : (1)How could these people take over the leadership of the IMAF : without the complicity and approval of Professoor Presas? : (2)Which :leads me to to ask, 'could be a message have been sent, : but you have :failed to receive it'? Since you and your helpers have neglected to answer the questions it would appear that the answer is obvious. The implied correct answer does not bother me, it is your decision not to not to answer a direct question that is discouraging. If you are seeking to be a leader, then act the part. >3. My intent When I left the IMAF, it was to promote the art my own >way. I like that statement. It reads well and it is very clear in it's intent and meaning - that is good leadership behavior. - ---Deleted a segment of the paragraph--- >When I left, I forfeited all claims to any position of authority in >that >group. Does this mean I'm not the leading person who is active >in the art >of Modern Arnis today? No! The post was a reminder that >they should watch >what they say. It was I who was challenged by their >comments. Good statement! But that is not a challenge to the new IMAF leadership and I understand that because of what you, Mike and Brian have posted earlier. - ---Deleted #4--- >5. The Challenge. >Only one person has accused me of challenging the MOTTs (Masters of >Tapi Tapi). My actions were in defense. The only challenge was not to >fight, but for everyone to keep their mouths shut and have no mud > >slinging. I never said that this was about fighting. I read it as a strong difference of opinion about rank, time in the organization, knowledge, skill and teaching ability. You, Mike and Brian, read far too much into what I posted, while failing to understand what I actually wrote. >If a challenge was made by anyone, I feel that it would have been >made by Ernest! He seems to really enjoy twisting my words, and those of >anyone who sides with me. There you go again, acting all paranoid! I disagree with one aspect of your presentation and you can't read the positive things that I wrote, you focus on the disagreement that is in the past. Hey guy, since you are determined to use that title, just do it. I won't even write the word out. BTW, I like the way you have taken to the word "Renegade". It has a nice ring to it. I bet that you are wearing it so well that it is pissing off the fellow who tried to use it as a smear comment... kind of like, "Wicked Warlock of the West". One of your friends started that and I took to it like a bird takes to flying ;-) >I wonder if he really exists or is that his pen name. You went there once before, it is old. >He has mentioned that he pays a lot of attention to the IMAF page, >but he >says that he does not do the art. No I do not, but several friends do and my arnis instructor was once very friendly with Professor, so I do have an interest. >Even Ray Terry wants to know what the problem is! I answered Ray's question more than a week ago, or hadn't you noticed? >He seems to challenge the majority of the things I put on the digest. Not really, formerly, it was the title thing. But I have let go of that, it is you who still clings to the memory of a past difference of opinion. >If this is your intent, then I accept! Talk, drink, bang sticks >what ever. No let's not. Your arrogance and lack of candor precludes me from believing that I would have an enjoyable time with regard to any of the above mentioned things. Let's just keep it on the ED! - ---Deleted #6--- Better yet, let's not do anything. ArchBishop EBrook 2nd Chief Teacher - Surge Eskrima USA THE Wicked Warlock of the West _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Mike Casto Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 23:58:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: A slight correction, Ms. J > a few years back i heard the term eskirido.. i was > with my business partner > at the time and well we had never heard the > terminology, we had no clue what > it was. then it was described to us as a mix of > aiki-fma-silat-- we sort of > laughed at the time because well... seems we had > been doing the art all > ready, he for many many years. Actually, Johnaleen, Eskrido (developed and founded by GM Cacoy Canete) is a hybrid of Doce Pares Eskrima, Aikido (I'm not sure what system), and Kodokan Judo ... not Silat. However, what GM Cacoy drew from Judo are many of the same principles that can be drawn from Silat. Best, Mike __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Seraksatu@aol.com Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 02:58:24 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #276 Selamat Hormat Joe No Guru Dan is only in the Explosive Serak Video produced by Pointman That tape is $39.95 You either can order from Pointman or from the VDT Academy The Tape is an introduction to Silat Serak filmed at the Inosanto Academy. Guru Dan Inosanto is currently completing his Silat Serak ranking at the VDT academy from Pak Victor de Thouars. One amazing Martial Icon that has given much to all to spread Indonesian as well as FMA to all. Public and folks are always welcome at the VDT academy to find out more about the system. The system of Serak is open to anyone to study. The VDT academy is now in Jakarta Indonesia and opening a branch in Brunei and comming home to West Java, were it all got started. The other tapes are Training tapes, please go to the website. Ordering the series will have a 10% discount. For your information there are 72 Training tapes completing the system of Serak About 42 tapes offered to the general Public. The remaining tapes are only for members of the VDT Academy. Guru Dan has completed a other Video done at the VDT Academy, and produced by VDT Communications. This tape will be out soon for 39.95 Tape called "The new world Martial Arts" Bringing, Chinese, Indonesian and Phillipino arts in a comparison that all arts have a common universal bond and cross training having value for all. Take care and my Hormat Pak Vic ------------------------------ From: Mike Casto Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 00:04:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: RE: Tapi Tapi << From: "tim hartman" Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 22:37:10 Subject: eskrima: Tapi Tapi Ray, Tapi-Tapi is a drill. It would be like Hubod. So the Masters of Tapi-Tapi are masters of a drill, like shadow sparring, sinawalis, or jumping rope. The Renegade. >> That's a bit of a broad statement. In *some* systems, the term "tapi tapi" refers to a drill. In other systems, it refers to a concept. In others, it refers to a method. As a concept or method, it's easy to see as the "core" of a system's development. That doesn't mean that a master of this system is simply a master of a drill. Mike, who's never heard of a "Tapi Tapi" system, but sees no reason for putting it down or doubting its existence or validity ... oh, and I have no cool appellation to tack onto the end :-) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Mike Casto Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 00:31:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: RE: Tapi Tapi Ah ... oops. I am a little behind on my digests and I think I've read a couple out of order. My comments to Tim Hartman were, I am getting the impression, misplaced. I didn't realize that there was an ongoing ... um ... dispute. Nor did I realize that the Tapi Tapi system being referred to was (based on what I'm reading now in the Digests) a variation (or something) of Modern Arnis (as I said previously, I've not heard of it and know nothing about it ... and, therefore, probably should have kept my big yap shut :-) So, Mr. Hartman, I spoke out of place (I'm not a Modern Arnis player and have no place in that thread) and I apologize if my comments offended. I'll go back to my corner and watch the fireworks some more. Next time maybe I can remember to follow a thread and see where it's going before I go tying my own piece in :-) Best, Mike __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Mike Casto Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 00:49:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: RE: Victor de Thouars Videos with Guro Dan ??? << From: Joe Marszalek Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 08:03:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Victor de Thouars Videos with Guro Dan ??? I saw in back of current "Inside Kung Fu" magazine an add for Serak video tapes from Victro De Thouars. The add says they feature Victor De Thouars and Guro Dan and that it was also filmed at the Inosanto Academy. Has anyone seen these videos or heard anything about them? There are 18 of them @ $45 each. 3 Juru videos, 3 Sambut videos, 3 Serak Buangs videos, 3 Serak Latihan Tiga videos, 3 Serak stick videos, and 3 serak blade videoes. Also is Guro Dan in all or only some of the videos I would like to know that also. Joe Marszalek >> Umm ... I haven't seen these specific videos so can't really answer your question. I have seen "Explosive Art of Pentjak Silat Serak" from Pointman Productions, though. It was filmed at Guro Dan's school and has a lot of really good stuff on it like Pak Vic and Guro Dan both doing some Sambuts. There are some really good clips of an interview with Guro Dan about Silat in general and Serak specifically. And Guro Dan does a really good kembangan (free-form martial dance) at the end. I'd highly recommend this video. The ones you mentioned ... I've not seen them, but it wouldn't surprise me if they're related to this video ... and I'd assume they're worthwhile as well. Mike __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: "Richard Killick" Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 09:30:38 +0100 Subject: eskrima: Re: San Migual? For those of us in the UK are there any books or videos on San Migual? Regards Richard Killick > From: "Rocky" > Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 13:24:44 -0400 > Subject: eskrima: Re- San Miguel > > About a year ago I talked to the Great One :-) Tom Bisio about training in > some San Miguel, he said he'd work with me if I get to the Big Apple with > him, but its not been easy for me to do much in the past year or so. ------------------------------ From: Taojen1@aol.com Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 07:04:09 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re:Pak Victor/Guru Dan In a message dated 6/17/2001 10:15:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << I saw in back of current "Inside Kung Fu" magazine an add for Serak video tapes from Victro De Thouars. The add says they feature Victor De Thouars and Guro Dan and that it was also filmed at the Inosanto Academy. Has anyone seen these videos or heard anything about them? >> Selamat Joe, Guru Dan is in the one from Pointman Productions. It is an overview of Serak particularly the empty hand phase. The other ones are Pak Victor's archiving of the entire Serak system. There are ten phases to Guru Muda. The first five phases will be made available to the general public (up to about the Antek level). The final five phases are for those within a Serak tjabang. The first five phases contain material previously unseen by most who have been introduced to Serak. It is Pak's desire that the Serak system should be open and not kept secret as much of the material has been in the past. Buddy ------------------------------ From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 09:09:03 EDT Subject: eskrima: not too late to make a friend Rocky Wrote: << Its to bad things got the way they did, I didn't want to be anyones enemy, and once again I lose a possible connection for real Filipino cooking. >> Rocky, Is not too late to make friends, I always have a room for another one, I never lost my respect to you or the others, its just an opinion, tha you and me dis-agree. If you wish to be my friend, I am on, may be this will settle things in better way. We both love Prof. Remy Presas like our own father. I know we have dis agreements, but thats part of being a member of the discussion forum. Dont you think? To California groups, I will be in Laguna Niguel, St Regis Luxury Resorts, in Dana Beach, CA. I will be working in the morning, but night time I would like to take time for teaching or small seminar may be, also weekend, I am calling for the people who are interested for a serious training. I will help to open the Resort on end of July. After my Garimot Retreat, I will flying out to CA on the 16 of July for three weeks to a month and half time, until I set up the Kitchen running for service. Like I said I am a Chef by profession, and my strong skills is to open Hotels and restaurants. If anyone are interested for Garimot, Arnis, Harimaw Buno, and Hilot (healing art), this is good time for us to connect, each other. I know that Laguna Niguel is not to par from LA. So CA groups, i am interested to your though about this. Start your day with a smile, and I am sure your life will earned extra mile... GM Felipe "Garimot" Baet Respectfully yours, Sa inyo'y Gumagalang, Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research Center USA Hipon Sinigang (Shrimp Sour Soup) 1 medium onion feeled quartered 1 medium tomato quartered 1 buch leafy bok choi cut into a desired length 1 japanese egg plant, cut chunk pieces 1/2 lbs string bean cut 2'' long 1/2 lbs fresh okra 1 lbs of shrimp with shell on 2 liter of water 3/4 cup of lemon juice or 1/2 lbs fresh green Tamarind wrap in sheese cloth or plastic net. (alternative 1 pack of Tamarind powder mix) that you can buy in any Filipino Store in the US. Procedure: Cut all the necessary cutting preparation as describe above, Put together the water, onion, tomato, strings, and beans to a medium pot. Bring it to a boil with temperature 350'F, until the strings beans are in desired softness. add the lemon juice(or includes theTamarind on the first ingredients until the tamarinds in soft, then remove the tamarind press seed and skin until the juice is married to soup) or add the mix to the water, Then add the remaing vegetable and last the shrimp, again bring to a boil then seasoned them with Salt to your desired saltiness. Here you go BAMM!! you have the traditional Hipon Sinigang (Shrimp Soup), this recipes apply also for Fish soup, if you used protein, Add protein to the first ingredient (e.g. Pork or Beef}. This recipes for everyone to enjoy, Served with White Jasmine Steam Rice, with condiment: fish sauce, or soy sauce. Chef Abon "The Iceman" Baet ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 7:27:24 PDT Subject: eskrima: PHILIPPINES Public Announcement PHILIPPINES Public Announcement June 14, 2001 A number of recent security-related incidents highlight the danger of travel in the Philippines. Violence during recent political demonstrations, kidnappings of foreigners, and bombing incidents call for Americans to exercise great caution throughout the Philippines. On June 5, 2001, a group of American Navy personnel on leave and their guides were fired upon by an armed group on the slopes of Mt. Pinatubo. Americans are warned to avoid hiking or camping in this area. On May 27, 2001, members of the Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG) kidnapped 20 tourists, including three Americans, from Palawan Island in the southern Philippines and took them by boat to Basilan Island. This followed a similar attack by an unknown group on May 22 on a resort on Samal Island near Davao City, Mindanao. That attack was repulsed with the loss of two Filipino lives. The ASG has taken hostage a number of Filipinos and foreign tourists since April 2000. Several were freed after payment of substantial ransoms, some escaped or were rescued by military action, and some were killed by their captors. The ASG or other groups may attack U.S. citizens and others again. Because the ASG has broadened its area of operations, it is possible that other locations could be attacked. While this ongoing terrorist campaign of kidnapping foreigners is in progress, Americans should exercise extreme caution when considering travel to beach resorts in the Philippines. There have also been sporadic incidents of violence in southern Mindanao, including bombings in General Santos City and at the Cotabato Airport in Maguindanao Province, as well as bus hijackings on national highways. There are claims that the Moro Islamic Liberation Front is responsible for these actions. U.S. citizens are warned to avoid all travel to the island of Mindanao, to include Zamboanga City, due to incidents of terrorism and violence. U.S. citizens should avoid travel to the islands of Basilan, Tawi-Tawi, and Jolo located in the Sulu archipelago in the extreme southwest of the Philippines. There was politically motivated violence in connection with the ouster of Philippine President Estrada in January 2001 and national elections in May 2001. The violence included demonstrations, bombings, riots, and attacks on candidates and their supporters. Although the violence has diminished, the possibility exists of further incidents. In view of these incidents, and the possibility of future political violence, Americans are also urged to be particularly cautious in public areas and not approach or linger in the vicinity of a bomb-related incident. Americans are cautioned not to disturb suspicious objects or packages and should report any incidents to local authorities. If you are involved in or observe a bomb incident, immediately notify the Embassy. For other information on terrorist activities in this region, refer to the Department of State's Public Announcement on Malaysia dated June 13, 2001. For further general information on travel to the Philippines, consult the Department's latest Consular Information Sheet for the Philippines, which is available via the Internet at http://travel.state.gov. This Public Announcement supersedes the Public Announcement of June 6, 2001, to provide updated security information and it expires December 6, 2001. See http://travel.state.gov/travel_warnings.html for State Department Travel Warnings ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 7:27:59 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #277 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.