From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #284 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 22 June 2001 Vol 08 : Num 284 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Luis Pellicer III - FMA empty hands effectiveness eskrima: Silat Summit in the Netherlands 2002! eskrima: elaboration eskrima: Wiley's new book re: filipino recipes, was eskrima: Mime-Version: 1.0 Re: eskrima: Wiley's new book eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Roland Isla" Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 11:23:09 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re: Luis Pellicer III - FMA empty hands effectiveness Hello Mr. Pellicer and everyone else, Pare, I agree with you 100% with regards to the realities of streetfighting in the Philippines. Watching ABS-CBN or GMA-7 News, I can't help but notice that most street confrontations tend to involve knives, clubs,guns or other improvised weapons. I remember watching the news footage of a gang fight at the Manila city jail that involved the sigue sigue gang and the Manila city jail gang. There were so many improvised weapons confiscated, not just the usual shiv, but also blow guns, darts, and crossbows. Also the fights are hardly ever one-on-one. With the "barcada" (very close friendship exclusive to a particular social group - kind of like a gang, but without the conotation of criminality or violence) culture of Filipinos, you wouldn't a one-on-one fight but rather groups of friends joining in to either attack of defend one person or another group. Finally, like everywhere else, the people who involve themselves in this kind of activity tend not to be martial artists. The average pinoy is not into the physical fitness lifestyle that is more common in North America and Europe (believe me you really need a lot of discipline to work out in hot, humid, tropical weather.)Therefore, the average underfed, drunken, poverty stricken thug on the street really isn't all that confident in himself physically, so he resorts to attacking in gangs with weapons. You also wrote: "One of the reasons why NHB style fighting never really took off over here in a big way, is the fact that thier method of approaching combat in OUR reality will probably get you killed." Another reason why I think NHB fighting never took off in the Philippines is because of the cost involved with no foreseeable winfall in the end. Boxing is very popular because it is a means for the very poor to elevate themselves. Despite Yaw Yan and other kickboxing federations in the Philippines, kickboxing really isn't popular at all, even less popular than in North America. Only the upper middle class and wealthy (classes A, B and some of C, if you go by Philippine classification) can afford the lessons for martial arts lesson and they tend not to participate.Finally, Filipinos have no role models when it comes to NHB and likely won't have any. NHB demands costly specialized training and bigger, stronger athletes. The best Pinoy boxers are under 126 lbs. Bigger pinoys go into basketball and satisfy themselves with being the big fish in small bowls. Getting back on topic, how would the FMA do in NHB type competition? It really isn't designed for it as it is still as much an art form as it is a combat sport. The Yaw Yan group says that they do groundfighting now and are anxious to try it out in NHB and MMA competition. So, we'll see. Thanks Roland Isla ------------------------------ From: AnimalMac@aol.com Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 11:18:05 EDT Subject: eskrima: Silat Summit in the Netherlands 2002! From Marc Animal MacYoung Trav said << There will be a group from the U.S. going to Holland and staying at a resort in Zeeland. The workshops will be at night, leaving the day free for sightseeing. >> Let me first start by saying that British Airways has slashed rates. Due to the problems of mad cow disease and foot and mouth the tourism industry has taken a serious slam in Merry Old. There for travel to England is amazingly cheap. I have been overseas several times and to tell you the truth, flying to London and then connecting to Amsterdamn is easier than flying from whereever to Chicago and then to a particular destination. Quite literally it is almost as cheap to fly to Europe as it is to fly to some of the places I go in the US. So you might want to look in making reservations waaaaaaaay early, Secondly there is a thing called group rates. If everyone were to go through one travel agent, he could barter with the airlines and -regardless of your starting place - get a major discount for everyone. The guy I personally use and recommend (because he has saved me and my class sponsorers a LOT of money is Richard Foss at Ladera Travel. Richard@Ladera-travel.com He's going to be trapsing around the French Alps and England for the next two weeks, but if enough people contact him when he gets back, he can set up a group rate thing and save us all kinds of money. Like enough to get the wife over too - so she let syou go in the first place. (C'mon guys admit it, that's how reality works) Anyway, just a thought on how to save some cash. Animal ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 09:10:24 -0700 Subject: eskrima: elaboration A Howl of Greeting to All Plumador wrote: "Crafty, in the last issue, you wrote this at the end of your message: <> Can you elaborate on this? Thank you." As Luis Pellicer so eloquently points out in his post, the FMA have a different point of reference entirely. In the terminology I like to use, the FMA are War Arts in their essence, and BJJ/NHB/Vale Tudo is Hierarchical. In a war art, using your blade to get back to the car where you have your gun makes perfect sense while knifing/shooting a member of one's own social group over a hierarchical matter does not. IMHO different arts tend to draw different types, both mentally/emotionally and physically. On a physical plane, Savate will tend to draw ectomorphs for example. Yes I know there are endomorphs too, but on the average, the body type will tend more to ectomorph than in the population as a whole. Much/most of modern western martial arts is about young males competing. Young males are intensely interested in matters of hierarchy (breeding prospects being closely related). To compete in BJJ today one must be remarkably fit, strong, flexible, skilled and TOUGH. Steroids abound on the NHB/Vale Tudo scene and are far from unknown on the sport scene. Who goes into such an environment? It will tend to be highly competitive tough, strong, young jock types. It is precisely because they want to compete that they choose a form of martial expression that does not have death as a consequence. So I am aware that with this little project of mine to create a kali-silat NHB fighter that I am playing with a handicap (war techniques eliminated by the rules of a hierarchical context) but I have an idea or three that I fantasize may have some merit :-) And if the results with this one individual do not turn out well, well its just one individual and the search for truth continues. Crafty Dog ------------------------------ From: Plumador@aol.com Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 16:41:27 EDT Subject: eskrima: Wiley's new book ARNIS is a just collection of essays written by different people. I don't think the book is worth buying it, unless you are a FMA book collector. One thing you can do is print out your favorite issues of eskrima digest, and use a picture of your favorite Arnisador as the cover, and sell them as a book. ------------------------------ From: Dave Sheehy Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 16:03:39 PDT Subject: re: filipino recipes, was eskrima: Mime-Version: 1.0 Luis Pellicer III wrote: > NOW HERE is a FILIPINO recipe for those who can handle real cross-cultural > cuisine. Darn, you beat me to it! My version doesn't have the fish sauce and in the US more umm.... standard cuts of pork are generally used. ;-) In English it's called Chocolate Meat because the sauce looks somewhat like chocolate. Good stuff! Gotta eat it over rice though, it's a bit rich by itself IMHO. A month or so ago I (a white guy) was chowing down on some Dinuguan at a filipino friend's son's birthday party and one of the male guests in attendance started chanting "I've got a secret, I've got a secret,..." when he saw what I was eating (the "secret" obviously referring to the ingredients of the dish I was eating). I smiled to myself and thought, "I've got a secret too, not only do I know what it is but the lady of the house made it especially for me because she knows I like it." Anybody still interested in recipes? Besides my dinuguan recipe (which is virtually identical to the above minus the fish sauce) I've got a chicken adobo, a pork adobo (that's different than the one posted), and kilaween(sp?) recipe that are all pretty good. Anybody got any good Lumpia recipes? I have one I got off the internet but haven't tried out yet. I don't have any pancit recipes either (bihon would be nice). Dave Sheehy > > > DINUGUAN > > Ingredients > > 1 kilo pork face (literally the skin and meat of a pigs face) > 3 cups fresh pork blood > 1/2 cup vinegar (filipino white vinegar available in any filipino food store) > 1 tsp black pepper > 1 large onion > 4 pcs. chili peppers > 5 cloves garlic > patis (fish sauce) > > 1. clean pork > 2. boil pork in water, throw water out after it starts boiling. Start > proceedure again, throw water out 2nd time after water boils. > 3. cut pork into cubes > 4. saute garlic onion,pork until brown. add black pepper. add 1 cup of > water and boil. > 5. In a separate bowl, add vinegar and fresh blood, stir & mash till > blended fine. Add it to the sauted pork, stir to prevent coagulation. Add > patis to taste, slow cook till tender. DONT cover while cooking. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 17:30:44 PDT Subject: Re: eskrima: Wiley's new book > ARNIS is a just collection of essays written by different people. I don't > think the book is worth buying it, unless you are a FMA book collector. > > One thing you can do is print out your favorite issues of eskrima digest, and > use a picture of your favorite Arnisador as the cover, and sell them as a > book. Exactly why every issue of the digest is copyrighted, to (hopefully) keep would-be-Wiley's in-line... :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 19:01:50 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #284 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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