From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #291 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thur, 28 June 2001 Vol 08 : Num 291 In this issue: eskrima: [statelists@STATE.GOV: Philippines - Public Announcement] eskrima: Joe Humphreys eskrima: GP Abon's sayonachi eskrima: Re: Silat vs. FMA eskrima: Silat VS FMA?? eskrima: Welcome to Florida eskrima: Jay de Leon, Gat Puno Abon, et al re: Jose Rizal eskrima: Re: I dont know about Dumog and Jujitsu?? eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. 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Philippine government officials have advised residents within the permanent six-kilometer-radius danger zone to resettle to safer areas. The U.S. Embassy in Manila reminds American citizens that the Philippine government has issued a bulletin cautioning residents and travelers to stay away from the danger zone around the volcano and to avoid gullies and rivers that might channel dangerous volcanic flows to downstream areas. Philippine authorities are closely monitoring the status of the volcanic eruptions and emphasize that volcanic events are difficult to predict. Therefore, the U.S. Embassy urges all Americans contemplating travel to the vicinity of Mayon Volcano to evaluate carefully the potential danger of such travel. Gullies radiating out from Mayon can easily serve as conduits for loose volcanic debris that may travel at high speeds for significant distances beyond the volcano's base. Americans in the area are urged to strictly observe any Philippine government restrictions on travel into the permanent danger zone, and to pay close attention to daily status reports issued by the Philippine Institute of Volcanology and Seismology. American citizens are also encouraged to inform the U.S. Embassy of any travel plans in the area. The U.S. Embassy is located at 1201 Roxas Boulevard, Manila City, telephone (63-2) 523-1001, fax (63-2) 522-3242. The Embassy's web site is http://www.usembassy.state.gov/posts/rp1/wwwhmain.html. The Department of State also encourages American citizens considering travel to the Philippines to review the general information available in the Department of State's latest Consular Information Sheet for the Philippines and its Public Announcement concerning a series of violent incidents that have made travel unsafe in certain areas. This information is available on the Internet at the Embassy's web site or on the Bureau of Consular Affairs' home page at http://travel.state.gov. ------------------------------ From: "Stephen Lamade" Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 18:50:37 Subject: eskrima: Joe Humphreys Haven't seen the videos. After reading Joe Humphrey's Trout Tactics and On the Trout Stream with Joe Humphrey's I've spent alot more time nymphing on the small streams I know in north-central Pennsylvania. Weighting my nymphs and checking stream temperaure made all the difference. Funny how anyone doing anything worth doing stresses the fundamentals... Steve Lamade San Miguel Eskrima _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Jay de Leon" Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 12:48:47 -0700 Subject: eskrima: GP Abon's sayonachi GP Abon mentioned his running techniques called "sayonachi, (sayo na ang chinelas ko)", literally you may have my slippers--so I can run (barefoot) as fast as I can. What a coincidence! I also teach a similar technique, called "Kung Tu (mabilis kung tumakbo)", literally, boy, can he run fast--barefoot, in his Nike Jordans, whatever. In plain English, teach this option to your students: if you can still make a run for it instead of a physical confrontation, run like the dickens. No bruises, lawsuits, fear of retaliation, court, etc. As the saying goes, he who runs, lives to fight another day. On the other hand, if you have no other choice, then as Animals says, it's throwdown time. Jay de Leon ------------------------------ From: "johnaleen" Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:22:47 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re: Silat vs. FMA ******* Arik Wrote: Hey all, I've been trying to look on the web about the differences between > Silat and any FMA. I'm curious to what you all think the advantages are of > Silat over FMA and which is better for self-defense? Also, I'd like to know > how the training is different.Thanks for the help. > Arik ********* First: this is solely based on my personal opinions as a Woman doing Self defense and the martial ARTS... you ask what art is better for self defense? either Silat or Fma... Personally i dont believe one alone is better then other.. if you have to break them down this way... and based on you asking about Self-Defense most of the FMA i have done has had some core Similarity's to Silat, based on the fact that silat is partly already there in the FMA core, because of its Rich history and Development through the events and culture of the philipines though out their history as the filipino people developed there art. i dont believe one is better then the other because they blend so we together that i personally believe that they should be learned and incorporated into your own personal style. based on what works best for you personally.. this agian is based on SELF-DEFENSE as far as out and out Self-Defense... both of these arts have some core basics to the Self-Defense Classes we teach. but that's above and beyond the art that is taught as an art.... for instance understanding the actull concepts behind Silat helped my FMA greatly.. FMA is my core not Silat.. though i have taken some core Silat classes in the past and studied the art some spacficaly.. for me it was again based on my personal choices and what i had to deal with phyicaly body type wise.. FMA is my core and always will be.. so first i guess you need to define what self defense means to you and what a martial art is to you... because there are differences between the 2 depending on your personal definition of the 2.. for instance the concepts behind the female triangle and the concepts of balance and evasion based on going with the blow instead of taking the full impact of the blow, that are found in the ART of Silat, these are very good concepts to use for your personal self-defense. just as the body shift and hand trapping in FMA is are great concepts for incorporation of your personal Self-defense... Training in a martial art gives you the tools to remember the reflexitive actions that you have trained yourself to call on when your saving your life, at the time when your really faced with a confrontation is the point of Self-Defense at this instant your mind and body are in what is called the fight or flight response.. its one of the reasons you practice your moves over and over because you want them to become instinctive for when you are saving your life..... for me saving your life is self defense not nesccacarly what art you practice, but how effective you were at saving your butt and getting out of there when it really counts.... Ms J.. bows deeply and only expresses her humble opinions........:) ------------------------------ From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:30:50 EDT Subject: eskrima: Silat VS FMA?? Arik, wrote:<< Hey all, I've been trying to look on the web about the differences between Silat and any FMA. I'm curious to what you all think the advantages are of Silat over FMA and which is better for self-defense? Also, I'd like to know >>how the training is different. >>Thanks for the help. >>Arik To Arik, Both arts is a like to each other side by side, if you got a chance to study either one is good for Self Defense.. FMA also have Silat Style, and the Indonesian arts has weapon like FMA, so wether you look at it in weapons art, or empty hand to the Grappling both arts offer a great style of fighting, for self protection. Both practiced with a average Filipino, Indonesian, or Malaysian sized which 5" feet tall or even smaller, but proven facts that they can stands from heavier opponents than they are. They both teaches make sense Self defense techniques, single attacker to multiple attacker. Pick one and stick with it, or study both, and goodluck, Gumagalang/ with respect, Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Laguna Arnis Federation Interantional US Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research Center USA Jay De Leon, Thenk yu, kabayan. Gat Puno ------------------------------ From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:36:32 EDT Subject: eskrima: Welcome to Florida Rey, Welcome to Florida, If you need someone to train or just to visit in Orlando, we have Ama Guro Raffy Pambuan there. He is like a brother to me, we came from the same provinces in Laguna. He is a Chef in Proffession also in Universal Studios Hotel. If you got come see him, he is like a family, a close friend also of our brother in arts, Bobby Taboada. Okay if you are interested drop me an e-mail and I will give you his Phone Number or work number either way. Okay, talk too you later, Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet << Ho from Orlando, FL. Ray Terry raym >> ------------------------------ From: "Roland Isla" Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:44:05 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Jay de Leon, Gat Puno Abon, et al re: Jose Rizal Hello Gat Puno Abon Baet, Mr. Jay de Leon, et al, Mr. de Leon, you wrote: "I agree with you completely, in view of his personal accomplishments and contribution to the revolutionary movement and from a role model point of view, Rizal should have been the obvious choice of the national hero of the Philippines, the other great heroes notwithstanding." I hate to be a wet blanket on all this, but I don't think that Jose Rizal should be "The" National Hero of the Philippines. Granted, he should be one of many heroes, but not so much for his contribution to the revolution. He was a scholar, renaissance man, and great enunciator of the ills committed by the Spanish in the Philippines. But he was a reformist, not a revolutionary. In fact, he didn't think that Filipinos were ready for independence. He wanted to reform the Philippines as a province of Spain with more rights granted to his particular class, the upper crust mestizo elite who would go on to rule the Philippines. Remember, all of his writings were in Spanish, not the language of the common people. As well, the target of his writings wasn't really Spain so much as it was the religious orders in the Philippines. Many historians write, in fact, that he offered to go to Cuba to offer his medical services for Spain. "What is the relevance of all this discussion to FMA? To me, these men stared death in the face every time they stepped on the battlefield, or picked up a pen to rail against persecution. With pen and sword, with underground presses and guerilla tactics, with fire-hardened lance and bolo, these men walked the walk, fought and paid the ultimate price-- death on the battlefield or martyrdom at the hands of their enemies. How much more martial can you get?" Rizal was made "national hero" at the turn of the century when there were still many Filipinos staring death in the face, this time, against Americans, not Spaniards. He was the politically correct model for other Filipinos as chosen by American commissioners not wanting to make heroes of real revolutionaries. Real revolutionaries like those who refused to surrender and were still fighting like Julian Montalan, Macario Sakay and Artemio Ricaforte. Do what was the message given to Filipinos, it's okay to stay peaceful and write about reforms (you might even get a province renamed for you like Rizal Province, which was Morong), but don't fight otherwise you'll be hanged (like Sakay). Respectfully to all of you, and I don't mean to lessen any of Rizal's accomplishments, but if you want to put together a list of heroes, well then, the names of Sakay, Montalan, and Pedro Dagohoy should be put just as high on the list. With respect to all of you, Roland Isla ------------------------------ From: Jivita@aol.com Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 21:14:34 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: I dont know about Dumog and Jujitsu?? <> Hello Gat Puno, The article appears to have been researched and written in the late 70's by Rene Navarro and was first published by Philippine News here in SFO. The author states that amoung his sources are Agoncillo's "Revolt of the Masses", Gagelonia'a "Rizal's Life" and other works published by the Jose Rizal Centennial Commission. Since the first publication of the article, the author states that other fine resources have been authored such as Barangay. The author seems to be writing to a generic audience and states that there is "no record of the style of arnis Rizal studied. However ,from his uncle he may have learned the prevailing system of stickfighting in the Tagalog region called panandata or escrima." He then goes on to call Rizal's Arnis, Arnis de mano, again seeming to speak to a generic audience. There is of course no "Art of the Samurai" but many arts within a Samurai tradition. I'd imagine that some form of jujitsu or aikijujitsu would be a part of that. Possibly with a family or clan fighting method that would better be called "jujitsu" for non- martial arts audiences of the 1970's. By the way Gat Puno, you seem to know the organizations of the Tagalog region well. Are you familiar with a Sacarias Ilog. He would have been active sometime before WWII. My guess would be 1915 - 1935. In addition put me down for your first book whenever you decide to write it. I;m sure it will be a captivating read. :) Best regards. Jim Lowe Oakland Eskrima Club http://members.aol.com/ekaliarnis/oec.html Destroyer of Fine Bamboo Fly Rods http://members.aol.com/jivita/PishPage.html ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 5:31:54 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #291 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.