From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #294 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 29 June 2001 Vol 08 : Num 294 In this issue: eskrima: . eskrima: The Red Ant eskrima: Mat Marinas eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #292 eskrima: Pananandata?? not a style??? eskrima: Gat Andress Bonifacio eskrima: Historical tidbits eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. 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Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: "Stephen Lamade" Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 16:45:27 Subject: eskrima: Mat Marinas I believe the family style is called Lanada, but that Mr. Marinas changed the name to Pananandata to reflect his personal interpretation of the art. He used to teach here in Flushing, Queens, and has instructors in New Jersey and New York (perhaps in Flushing and in Long Island). I've never met him personally but friends of mine who have speak of him and his art with great respect. Regards, Steve Lamade San Miguel Eskrima _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Jivita@aol.com Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 15:03:06 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #292 > Jim, Sacarias Ilog I am not sure is this guy is from Bulacan province or > Cavite i have to look at it. I read a book his name on it. But there no > discription where he came from. Let see if I can info on this from UP. > > > I believe he was from Cavite or at least that's were he finally settled. If you find any information or can remember the book, I would appreciate knowing. Thanks. Jim. ------------------------------ From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 16:39:23 EDT Subject: eskrima: Pananandata?? not a style??? Jay De Leon wrtoe: << Kabayan, you wrote, "Pananandata is not a style, is a Tagalog word meaning weaponship." I agree about the meaning of the word. Just want you to know my friend GM Mat Marinas calls his style "Pananandata." I have a couple of books written by GM Marinas, who is a prolific writer and has videos on the market. Unfortunately, my books are in storage so I cannot check on the history of his style. So I am going by memory. I believe he is Tagalog (Nueva Ecija, or somewhere there), his style is also a family style, and his system is characterized by long sticks, at least 36 inches or longer, a little slimmer and whippier than the ones we are used to. Jay, Yes I did say that, I was talking about, before FMA is no Style all of this art is under the banner of Arnis de Mano, Eskrima, Estokada, that does not change the techniques taught inside of this arts. Besides Pananandata that Marinas is created on later years. When I was in the Philippines, no matter what Marinas claimed that he has a Family arts still a lot of people told that he learned from Porferio Lanada and Lanada also accused him of publishing book that Porferio wrote. Well this is not the points. The points are the panandata is a tagalog word meaning the used of weapon, is a general term, wether your used is bolo, knife, or even gun, Well sorry if I dont elaborate the points. I am not talking about the later style that came out. I was refering to the old FMA the Oringinal is Arnis, Eskrima, Estokada and other Tribal name before that.. Thanks you for pointing that out though. Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Laguna Arnis Federation Interantional US Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research Center USA ------------------------------ From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 16:52:24 EDT Subject: eskrima: Gat Andress Bonifacio Roland Isla wrote:, >>< My father worships Ramon Magsaysay, after doing some historical study, I am much less enamored with him. If I can suggest some modern nominees (aside from the "bandoleros" and "tulisans",I mentioned earlier like Sakay, Montalan, Ricarforte and San Miguel, and of course, Bonifacio) I would suggest a couple of writers, the aforementioned nationalist historian Renato Constantino, writer Fransisco Sionil Jose and Senator Claro M. Recto. Who would you suggest Mr. de Leon? Or you, Gat Puno Baet? Roland Isla, My vote is to Sopremo Gat Andres Bonifacio, even though that he knows that he is not going to win the battles against Spanish, he is willing to give his life to free Philippines. He also touch so many heart to go and fight for freedom. To me he has the right to be the National Hero. Net to him Pangulong Makario Sakay, Next, Lucio de Vega, and then we can list all of the Generals like Genaral Antonio Luna, General Licerio Geronimo, and others. Thanks, Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet ------------------------------ From: "Jay de Leon" Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 14:01:00 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Historical tidbits To Roland Isla: You asked who I would consider as a modern era hero. I will opt (OK, wimp) out and answer--since I am Jesuit-trained, you will have to define your terms and establish your criteria first. Some suggested criteria--personal accomplishments, moral integrity, role-model criterion, personal sacrifices made including martyrdom, positive effect on Philippine history or the condition of the Filipino people, etc. What would you like to add? You mention some really deserving, interesting people. Senator Claro M. Recto was an intellectual giant and a brilliant law-maker. You might as well include statesmen like Carlos P. Romulo, then. I have a soft spot in my heart for Pres. Ramon Magsaysay. I met him, or more accurately, probably annoyed him. Let me explain. As a grade school kid, I was classmate and friend to Jose (Jing) Hernandez, whose father was Secretary of Education and confidante to Magsaysay. One evening out of the week, President Magsaysay would invite his Cabinet members' families to have a family night and watch a movie in the screening room at Malacanang Palace. So I would be one of a couple of dozen kids watching the movie and probably throwing popcorn at each other or something like that. This came to an end when Magsaysay's plane crashed against the mountainside (Mt. Pinatubo, right?), killing Magsaysay and several of his cabinet members and entourage, including Jing's father. Magsaysay to me was like a Ronald Reagan--not an intellectual giant, but a simple and honest man, a man of the masses who really had their interests at heart, who as they said, had the "common touch," and inspired a lot of confidence and good will. So I can understand why your dad worshipped Magsaysay. Historical Tidbits: In college, I had a history professor named Dr. Marcelino Foronda, who was a prominent, published historian in his own right. He told us in class that he had the opportunity to personally interview Gen. Emilio Aguinaldo, who was then still alive, but old and in poor health. Foronda joked that he was tempted, but did not have the gall to ask Aguinaldo whether he ordered the death and execution (or in modern Filipino colloquial, salvage, as pointed out by GP Abon) of Supremo Andres Bonifacio and his followers. It is widely believed that Aguinaldo was responsible for the act, but (as far as I know) he has never admitted to it and it has never been proven in a court of law that he did. Some Filipinos also think that Aguinaldo died in a blaze of glory on the battlefield. On the contrary, he lived to a ripe old age, frail and in deteriorating health at the end. I still remember TV footage of an old and frail Aguinaldo propped up in his balcony in his house in Kawit, Cavite, reviewing a June 12 (Philippine Independence Day) parade of former comrade in arms and loyal followers. Stirring but also sad. Jay de Leon ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 15:03:29 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #294 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.