From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #295 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Sat, 30 June 2001 Vol 08 : Num 295 In this issue: eskrima: Mime-Version: 1.0 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #292 eskrima: hardcore eskrima: new Email address eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #294 eskrima: books eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Luis Pellicer III Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 10:09:57 +0800 Subject: eskrima: Mime-Version: 1.0 >Exactly so. > >I would say that such circumstances can arise in the US, for example within >the shadow of the criminal culture. The US has the largest percentage of >its population in prison of any country in the world and outside of prison >these individuals can be found unevenly throughout the population as a >whole. If one lives in or near one of these concentrations, NHB fighting >may not directly applicable. <:-o For someone working in a prison >environment, the war art of FMA is pretty damn valid. (Here Dogzilla is a >hero of mine. The world does not know what he deals with every day and must >be ready to deal with at the drop of a hat, day in day out-- tedium and >terror, and kali is what he looks to. His NHB is pretty good, but prison is >war) And certainly we have here in the US the gangbanging culture of which >much of the prison culture is merely another face. Here too FMA would be >effective, but the issue is keeping it out of such hands! How to do that >while also getting it into the right hands? Traditional filipino style! Only have one or two students who you know inside & out who you pass on the deeper information and mindset to. The cream of the elite , if you will.(Above the body of regular students) I think the problem in modern society is basically the "fast food" mentality. Pay low, quick food, instant hunger gratification. (Also a poor meal) In the old days, the student had to prove himself to the teacher as worthy of the knowledge and skill the teacher possesed. Now its the other way around, it's the teacher who has to prove himself to the student, mainly due to economics.(Hence the rush of potential FMA guros, trying to get any way possible, thier validation through teachers in the Philippines. Some get thier certifications legitimately, some not. The economics game.) Today the student is catered to, if the standards (sound personality etc.etc.) were raised to higher levels, there may not be enough of them to go around. The passing of this skill is a tough thing, not only do you have to make sure that the student will not use what he has learned in an improper way, but that HE will not later pass the skills off indiscriminately. One group I'm with works this way. 1. Students only are allowed in if they are refered by and vouched for by another student. 2. A membership board of 6 people (rotated on a yearly basis) do a thorough background check on the potential member.(inclusive of a police records, if any) 3. The sponsor is held responsible for the actions of the potential member, if the potential member whacks out at any point, it is the sponsors job to set him straight. As quickly as possible. If the sponsor doesn't, it is understood that the other members will set the potential member straight, then go for the SPONSOR. 4. Probationary period for membership is one year. It is rough, but has a tendency to keep things in check. Not the best way to build a business though. >>But for most of the population, I agree the reality tends to be different. >>How then is a war art to live in times of peace without degenerating? In Thunder Ranch they have a "Kill house", it's about as realistic as things get in that discipline without actually having to do someone in. Imagine how you guys do things (which is about as intense as it gets) put in a scenario situation. Two "good" guys in a typical scene then five "bad" guys playing the role, going for them. Complete with props & all. Tougher to put together than shooting at steel and cardboard targets, but what a rush! Only problem with this would be the resulting paranoia & combat trigger effect it would create if you do it regularly. >My vote is to Sopremo Gat Andres Bonifacio, even though that he knows that he >is not going to win the battles against Spanish, he is willing to give his >life to free Philippines. He also touch so many heart to go and fight for >freedom. To me, Bonifacio's the man. ------------------------------ From: "Dave & Heather Fulton" Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 23:22:49 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #292 >From: Tom Valesky >Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 08:43:29 -0400 (EDT) >Subject: eskrima: Sparring with/against long staffs? > >I've been mucking about with a 6-foot staff lately. I was wondering if >anyone out there has done much work with (or against) long staffs, and, if >so, what were your reactions. In reading some of the old-time texts on >Western weapon fighting, the quarterstaff was considered a pretty badass >weapon; I'm wondering how it fares in one-on-one vs. single/double baton > >Note: I'm not looking for a match. I ain't _that_ curious. :-) > >Thanks, > >Tom From my experience in sparing against it, it depends upon how the staff is used. If held from one end and used properly, it is a very formidable weapon even against doble baston. Solo baston against sibat ... more power to ya! If held from the center, as in the standard karate kata useage, it is not as formidable. An interesting side note, a former sensei of mine (in Okinawan karate & kobujitsu) told me that in Okinawan Bojitsu, you hold the bo from the center during kata but when you fight, you hold it from one end. In a nut shell, you have to be able to close the gap very quickly and even so, if the person knows how to use that big stick ... be prepared to take some lumps. Respectfully, Dave Fulton Full Contact Martial Arts Association "As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another." ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 20:56:19 PDT Subject: eskrima: hardcore A week or so back there was a short thread re the lack of hardcore/hardcontact FMA training these days. Too bad you missed Mike Inay, RIP. He eased up during the time we were in a commercial school, but in the backyard or in privates he was as hardcore as you wanted, or could handle. wrt Cacoy Canete, even at 82 (almost) he'll go as hard as you want. He takes it easy on most, but if train with him in his backyard you'll see him smack folks around w/his olisi, throw them on concrete, choke them out, etc. He lightens up when doing a seminar (sometimes), but get him off by himself and let him work out on you, with him laughing the entire time. Great family fun... :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: ARNISTE@aol.com Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 03:14:53 EDT Subject: eskrima: new Email address Meownews to all, Greetings to all members startinng July 2001 my new email will be:Arniste@mediaone.net Thanks to all and especially to you Ray, Nelson"PinoyKowboy"Trinidad Combat Arnis Tabak Society ------------------------------ From: ken jo Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 05:05:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #294 Re: Knife Fighting I am currently teaching knife fighting drills/sparring to my students and some senior students have expressed their opinion that it would be good for the art if we would allow 'outsiders' (members of other martial arts) to observe this particular activity. I have some reservations on this and would respectfully solicit comments from those instructors teaching knife fighting concepts/techniques - do you allow non-members of your club/school to observe this particular activity? why or why not? Thank you in advance. Kali! Kenjo __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 7:04:42 PDT Subject: eskrima: books I've heard Placido Yambao's 1957 book Mga Karunungan sa Larung Arnis, which apparently focuses on classical espada y daga, frequently cited in FMA literature. Anyone have this book, or read it? Comments on the book and its content? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 9:13:04 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #295 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.