From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #298 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Mon, 2 July 2001 Vol 08 : Num 298 In this issue: eskrima: Mime-Version: 1.0 eskrima: But then, eskrima: Re-empty hand eskrima: congrats! eskrima: Staff and other long range weapons vs Sticks eskrima: --Leg Damage-- eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Luis Pellicer III Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 12:59:04 +0800 Subject: eskrima: Mime-Version: 1.0 > >In the wake of the tragic and horrifying drowning of five children by their >mother Andrea Yates in the bathtub of their Houston home, Democratic >Senators Tom Daschle and Ted Kennedy have called for making home bath tubs >illegal. "How many children have to die before we accept the fact that bath >tubs are a major cause of death in the home," Kennedy said. He cited >Consumer Product Safety Commission data which confirms that bathtubs are now >one of the 5 leading causes of home accidental deaths. > > "It may very well be that if this severely depressed mother had not had >ready access to a bathtub, these 5 innocent children might still be alive >today," Kennedy added at the somber Washington press conference. He was >surrounded by representatives from a wide range of liberal organizations >including People for the American Way, Children's Defense Fund, and Bathtub >Control, Inc. > Reminds me of a local politician when told that the high inflation rate was due to the law of supply and demand. He wanted the law ammended. ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 23:47:15 -0700 Subject: eskrima: But then, A Howl etc: Mike asked: > > From: "Michael Koblic" > Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 19:19:14 -0700 > Subject: eskrima: Type 2 training > > ". To my way of thinking, type 2 training > runs the real risk of exposing cracks in the personality to temptations of > evil too great to resist. Type 2 training changes the personality and only > people suitable for it should receive it." > > I am intrigued. Can you expand on this perhaps with some examples? I promise > not to turn into a werewolf :-) > > Mike Koblic, > Campbell River, BC I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you. :-) Crafty PS: Bill, the bathtub thing is too much ROTFLMAO. ------------------------------ From: "Rocky" Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 10:17:16 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re-empty hand Here goes my 2 cents on the FMA empty hand stuff, hope I don't get into trouble again. I bereave the FMA have a very good and sound empty hand method, I think that many choose not to explore or teach it because, of its complexity. Its been my observation that over the last 20 years in the FMA's that many of the the Gm's NOT ALL!!! just an observation of the ones I have worked with, don't seem to have what they want to teach empty handed very well organized, In Balintawak this is very apparent. Which is why GM's Like Bobby Tobada, and Villiason, and others have worked hard at structuring an empty hand format for their arts. Many a old timers I have met are very fond of saying that the hand and stick translate back and forth, which I whole heartedly agree with, however it can years and years of training and self discovery to mold your weapons training into a solid empty hand form that you can depend on and this is the problem, in today's fast food martial arts, people just are not willing and maybe shouldn't really have to wait. I think to that the mentality of the or more so the evolution of the FMA's vs. other arts is at a different stage, Fma's are relatively new borns on the scale of commercialism, and therefore have not been broken down into a simplistic format as most Karate arts, which as far as I am concerned is a good thing, but like all good things, FMA's are more and more kneeling to the pressure, of commercialism. One of the things I have noticed over the years to is that many of the FMA'ers I have worked with, will gladly give up power ( empty hand ) for speed, now believe me I think speed is a beautiful thing, timing of course is more important, but it often seems that the empty hand body mechanics is missing. Maybe others could comment on this??? Rocky ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 7:56:54 PDT Subject: eskrima: congrats! Congrats to Mrs. Rock and Rock. New baby! Micheal D. Pasiwk, 7lbs 4oz, born June 25. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Eric Knaus Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 08:54:22 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Staff and other long range weapons vs Sticks Regarding Dave Fulton's comments on the staff vs sticks, Whether I'm fighting a 6' staff, 3 section, whip or chain, I found the key was to somehow find a way to get inside. Interestingly, the longer the weapon, the easier I found this to be. A good example of this is in Tape 6 of Real Contact when Tom Meadows and I squared off - me with one stick and him with either a 10' or 4' whip. The timing to get inside the 10' was similair to jumping rope at the play ground - you just wait for the whip to fly past and then charge right behind it. The 4' whip was a different story because his recovery time was much shorter and the window of opportunity to close was extremely narrow. For the first 20 seconds Tom kept up a barrage of whip strikes that had me scrambling to avoid getting hit - when he finally paused for a moment and I was able to close. The staff, if handled like a spear, is pretty hard to close on if the guy has lots of room to manuver and is content to stay outside and pick at you. I've tried this with 1 and 2 sticks and usually the sticks I use in these scenarios are heavier than the ones I would typically fight with - no particular reason other than I feel justified swinging at someone with a bat if he's coming at me with a log. Of the two options, I've done more with 2 sticks but actually felt just as comfortable with 1 because I like to close - for the record, though, this is easier said than done, but it can be done. ------------------------------ From: ECampbell@HHSI.COM Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 11:35:53 -0500 Subject: eskrima: --Leg Damage-- - --Oh yeah, I saw the pain-- it hurt me just watching it. He walked up calmly let go a right low round kick ...and the opponent blocked it with his knee. Oh wee, the guy did'nt even notice until he tried to put weight on it and collapsed. Looked like a cleaned break from the wobble .? Something to think about......(timing and nontelegraphicness ) OUCH!!! E r i c " E~M a n " C a m p b e l l M u a y - T h a i Heritage Physicians Network Houston, Tx. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 11:46:12 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #298 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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