From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #301 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Wed, 4 July 2001 Vol 08 : Num 301 In this issue: eskrima: Fun 4th eskrima: FMA empty hands eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #298 eskrima: FMA empty hands eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 14:35:15 PDT Subject: eskrima: Fun 4th Wishing all USAers a safe and fun 4th of July! Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Jay de Leon" Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:10:33 -0700 Subject: eskrima: FMA empty hands I am confused by the thread on FMA empty hands. It would seem that there are three major definitions of FMA empty hands : (1) it must be a translation of a weapon technique. (2) it must be taught as a FMA technique - such as cadena de mano, gunting, trapping hands,etc. (3) it may be any style, but try to incorporate as many FMA techniques as you can. My own views on this issue. In terms of skill proficiency, I try to have my students as proficient with empty hands as with weapons. When it comes to empty hands, I am not so concerned that they have to be an FMA technique, just effective. Having said that, there are numerous specific techniques and concepts that readily translate from weapons to empty hands--the "flow" concept, the "double-tap" technique, "snake" techniques (e.g., club disarm is easily a defense against a wide hook), "elastiko" movements, "labas/pasok" movements, etc. So therefore I would like to think that an advanced FMA practitioner instinctively uses all these FMA techniques and concepts in empty hands combat. On the other hand, where is the demarcation line between a universal martial arts technique and an FMA technique? If an FMA practitioner were to use, say, a left jab, right cross combination, or a nukite to the eye, has he now resorted to a foreign, non-FMA technique? As a marketing tool, I profess to teach Filipino kickboxing, and candidly describe it as Muay Thai kickboxing with dirty FMA techniques and tactics. In the same vein, are the Yaw-Yan ring fighters considered FMA empty hand fighters or hybrid kickboxers? An art by any other name would hurt just as sweet? Jay de Leon ------------------------------ From: Jesse Manibusan Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 18:32:34 -1000 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #298 > From: ECampbell@HHSI.COM > Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 11:35:53 -0500 > Subject: eskrima: --Leg Damage-- > > - --Oh yeah, I saw the pain-- it hurt me just watching it. He walked up > calmly let go a right low round kick ...and the opponent blocked it with his > knee. Oh wee, the guy did'nt even notice until he tried to put weight on it > and collapsed. Looked like a cleaned break from the wobble .? Something > to think about......(timing and nontelegraphicness ) OUCH!!! > > E r i c " E~M a n " C a m p b e l l > M u a y - T h a i > Heritage Physicians Network > Houston, Tx. > Did anyone see the Dennis Alexio fight in Australia against ....I forgot his first name, but he was Rick Rufous' brother, I think. I only saw the clip real quick on TV but it looked the same as the above scenario: Dennis kicks, it gets blocked, his foot comes back to the ground, he takes one step backwards and trips over his broken leg. But Dennis Alexio says that he tripped over an uneven and soft part of the ring canvas. By the way, totally off subject from FMA, but does anyone know if Dennis Alexio ever fought Maurice Smith? They are both heavyweights. Just wondering. Dennis was a great puncher, a really excellent kicker and was in such great shape he probably could have tired anyone out It would have been a great fight. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "BILL MCGRATH" Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 01:17:14 -0400 Subject: eskrima: FMA empty hands In a previous post the point was made that so few people in the FMAs seem to use FMA empty hands as their only empty hand technique. Part of the problem may be, as some have said here, that so few FMA instructors in the U.S. emphasize or even have the empty hand aspect of their art. Part of the problem also may be that so few people (at least in my experience) come to the FMAs in the U.S. as a pure beginner without any prior martial arts background. It is difficult to exclude the first foundational techniques you learned from another system while you are under the stress of sparring, even when deliberately trying to. I am curious. What percentage of ED list members first began their martial arts training in FMA? (I'll raise my hand for this question) What percentage of ED list members have never studied any other martial art besides FMA (I can't raise my hand for this one, I studied some Penchak and Kun Tao). My whole first year with Tuhon Gaje was spent on his version of kickboxing (he didn't teach weapons to kids my age when I first started). This was back in 1975, before Thai boxing became popular in the U.S. and yet we did many things with our kicks that I latter saw in Muay Thai. I also latter saw some of these same things in Penchak. Guro Dan showed many of the same things in Malaysian Silat. However there were also many distinct differences in the way each country handled their techniques. You could see that while they shared a common ancestor, it was fairly far back in the family tree. Therefore, while one country's art may have "borrowed" techniques from someone else, it was so far back in time as to now classify them with the new country. It is kind of like the evolutionary changes an animal species makes when transferred from the mainland to an isolated island. Given sufficient time it becomes a truly new species, but one with a close relative on the mainland. I believe that there is sufficient material in the FMAs to make a complete empty hand system. You just have to search it out. A good place to start is with two new videos that Guro Inosanto has just put out. I just finished reviewing these two for my organization's newsletter and gave them my highest recommendation. The tapes are on Panantukan and Dumog and I believe that if you mastered just the material contained on these two tapes you could stand up to any other empty hand system in the world. You can email the Inosanto Academy for more info on these videos at: bbiama@aol.com Regards, Tuhon Bill McGrath Visit the PTI web site at: http://www.pekiti-tirsia.com/index.html ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 6:59:26 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #301 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.