From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #304 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 6 July 2001 Vol 08 : Num 304 In this issue: eskrima: empty hand eskrima: Yahoo club eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #303 eskrima: Kombatan ? eskrima: Terry Tippie, where are you? eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Milazzo" Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 21:07:49 -0400 Subject: eskrima: empty hand If I may... I think that cross-training is the reason that empty hands are not utilized in most FMA stylings. I began my Martial Arts training in Modern Arnis 5 and 1/2 years ago under Datu Hartman. FMA is still my only martial art style. On the first day, we worked emty handed techniques, single stick techniques, and knife techniques -- and they have been taught to my fellow students and I side by side the entire time. In Modern Arnis, there are few commercial schools. Not to say that many schools don't have Arnis "clubs" or offer a class one night a week in addition to their primary art, but the reality is that to find a school that teaches Modern Arnis as a primary art is uncommon, to say the least. I am lucky enough to train at a school where the primary art is Modern Arnis, and everything else is secondary. This helps one explore the art more fully and have a balance between weapons (hands and feet included) With that said, we have always been taught that the weapon is a tool to teach the empty hand -- I mean a trap is a trap and the flow is the flow regardless of weapon -- stick, knife, fist, or otherwise, right? There is no doubt that some modifications are necessary for some techniques but cut away all of the extranious crap and the FMA technique is there. As for the western boxing comment -- please correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't what we call boxing today owe quite a bit to FMA? Michael Milazzo Buffalo Arnis -- WMAA _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Thomas Macaluso Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 09:17:20 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Yahoo club Hey I started a club on yahoo check it out http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/vitalpointjkd good place to talk about JKD , Kali , FMA , Muay Thai and grappling arts post your seminars , check out the links recommend instructors or videos ------------------------------ From: "q" Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 20:00:26 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #303 >doubting FMA emptyhand systems. When you have tons of FMA schools full of >young male athletes , many of them on steroids, competing intensely (15-20 >hours week would be quite common) for cage fights then we have a similar >gene pool from which to draw for our little quasi-scientific testings. I >think if one had a good sized class of young studs it would be entirely >possible to produce strikers who could and would do very well in the cage-- >even with the limitations of NHB rules. > >Woof, >Crafty Dog While I am a total fan of grappling, BJJ, Gotch submission wrestling etc. , I truely believe that the "cage" or "octagon" favors the grappler. This venue has distorted the statistics. It is a venue that sucks the energy of a puncher kicker and rewards the grappler who lays on top of him waiting for a deparate fatal error to occur. What is strikingly obvious is the tellingness of a good strike when properly landed. I have seen too many fights even in vale tudo which are instantly ended with little effort by the precise or lucky strike. The key to stand up fighting is to take your time and surgically strike. Too many do not realize that it is not about the size of the wand but the wizard who wields it. Just think what would happen if instead of covering an opponant's hook to return a strike or grapple the response was perhaps a vertical elbow interception followed by wrapping and throwing so you can't breakfall silat style. And hey give us some concrete already. I really think even a lamo like me could bounce a BJJ black-belt head on the concrete like a basketball before he could reverse the mount. For all those who are hyper-sensitive a la the Rocky challenge I am too old to challenge you and this is not a challenge. I may be able to pull your tooth out before you can take out mine however. That does not mean I hate grappling. It is way fun and I train it whenever I can but its range is the last place I want to be. Think like Animal. Sometimes bad people have bad friends nearby. Anything can happen. When is the last time you saw someone kick andother guy and break his own leg? Sometimes you are the windshield and sometimes you are the bug. Regards, Carlton H. Fung, D.D.S. Redondo Beach, Ca. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 8:55:53 PDT Subject: eskrima: Kombatan ? Try #2... Need your help. I need to update the FMA FAQ wrt GM Ernesto Presas' Kombatan. Who should be listed as the higest/higher ranking players in Kombatan? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 13:14:11 PDT Subject: eskrima: Terry Tippie, where are you? Anyone know where former list member Terry Tippie disappeared to? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 13:14:56 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #304 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.