From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #309 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Tues, 10 July 2001 Vol 08 : Num 309 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Martial Art Movies Do Not Portray FMA's Correctly eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #308 eskrima: Re: Crappy MA movies eskrima: Training with Dogs? eskrima: Boxing videos eskrima: Jet Li eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gints@att.net Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 02:18:13 +0000 Subject: eskrima: Re: Martial Art Movies Do Not Portray FMA's Correctly > From: "al sardinas" > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:46:47 -0400 > Subject: eskrima: Martial Art Movies Do Not Portray FMA's Correctly > > I just saw Kiss of the Dragon this past weekend starring the great Jet Li. > In one scene near the end of the movie, Jet Li walks into a martial art > class where about 50 black belts all have sticks. Just before the fight > begins some of the black belts do some basic twirls. Jet Li proceeds to beat > all of them using moves similar to Bruce Lee's in Enter the Dragon. At one > point he was doing sinawali against 3 attackers at the same time. I like > this movie and Jet Li very much. My gripe is that in all the action movies > that have featured someone with a stick (with an exception of 3) have shown > FMA's in a negative light.The FMArtist always loses (Guro Inosanto has lost > 3 times) and usually is one of the bad guys in the movie. The bad thing > about this is that in the martial art world, other martial artists tend to > have misconceptions and not give the proper respect due to FMA's. The only > good things about these movies is that there is no verbal reference to > FMA's, there is no rush to learn FMA's, therefore little dilution and > finally no push to ban sticks like the nunchaku craze in the early 70's. Even though I haven't seen the movie yet, take some comfort in the idea that the FMA representatives were chosen for their adversarial worthiness. I bet you every movie watcher thinks "Man, he beat all of those guys swinging sticks? Incredible." Incredible. That's important. There was a time when audiences were impressed by weaponless defense against multiple weaponless opponents. At sometime, movie watchers will be asking about those sticks. Then, you will carry the burden of explaining that there is more to FMA than sticks. Chuckle. ------------------------------ From: Mike Casto Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 21:16:38 -0500 Subject: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #308 << From: "al sardinas" Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:46:47 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Martial Art Movies Do Not Portray FMA's Correctly I just saw Kiss of the Dragon this past weekend starring the great Jet Li. In one scene near the end of the movie, Jet Li walks into a martial art class where about 50 black belts all have sticks. Just before the fight begins some of the black belts do some basic twirls. Jet Li proceeds to beat all of them using moves similar to Bruce Lee's in Enter the Dragon. At one point he was doing sinawali against 3 attackers at the same time. I like this movie and Jet Li very much. My gripe is that in all the action movies that have featured someone with a stick (with an exception of 3) have shown FMA's in a negative light.The FMArtist always loses (Guro Inosanto has lost 3 times) and usually is one of the bad guys in the movie. The bad thing about this is that in the martial art world, other martial artists tend to have misconceptions and not give the proper respect due to FMA's. The only good things about these movies is that there is no verbal reference to FMA's, there is no rush to learn FMA's, therefore little dilution and finally no push to ban sticks like the nunchaku craze in the early 70's. Respectfully, Al Sardinas Student of Garimot System of Arnis >> Hi Al, I think you're observations are right. I just saw KOTD this weekend as well ... and it's a very good movie. I enjoyed it a lot. A couple of points related to your post. A) All martial arts (and fights in general) are poorly presented in movies (with very rare exceptions) because realistic fighting doesn't translate to a movie. People (who don't understand) would watch it and go, "What the !@#$ just happened?" B) I think that the above point gets even more stressed when weapons are involved. C) I don't know for sure, but I don't think that the stick work in KOTD was FMA. The fight coordinator was Cory Yuen. I don't know Yuen's background per se ... but the Yuen implies that he's from the same opera school as Jackie Chan and Sammo Hung (i.e.: Master Yuen's school). Yuen Wo Ping (coordinator of the Matrix, Crouching Tiger, and many others) is another from the Yuen school. So, I would imagine that the stick work in this movie was either Chinese ... or it was extrapolated from other weapon work trained in the opera school. Best, Mike ------------------------------ From: "Jesse Greenawalt" Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 22:50:12 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re: Crappy MA movies I agree that it's not cool for MA movies to often show FMA in a negative light. But then, it usually shows the "big, traditional MA class" negatively, too, and that doesn't stop all the McDojangs from raking it in. Far worse IMO is the utter banality of plots and scripts of these things. It's hard to imagine this getting WORSE since Chuck Norris' heyday, but... At least Jackie Chan has humor. Shanghai Noon was cool. Van Damme...well, he had TIME COP, anyway. Li has the moves and is arguably the next big thing. Hard to imagine he can't find better scripts. jester ------------------------------ From: "C. Herrman" Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 01:51:56 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Training with Dogs? Hi, I'm wondering if anyone who owns (or has owned) a dog/s can comment on the pros and cons of martial arts training with their canine companions nearby. I'm referring to our four legged friends - not the Dog Brothers and their pack :) Is it possible to get a dog comfortable with arms, legs, and most problematically *sticks* swinging in the air, hitting a heavy bag, or drilling/sparring with a partner? Is it possible to teach a dog that some sticks are okay to chew & fetch, but others (rattan, kamagong, etc.) are not? Is it possible to train the dog to recognize the difference between practice time & a criminal act (assault, burglary, etc.)? At what age should a dog ideally be exposed to martial arts? How would you go about teaching your pet? Looking forward to your thoughts. Respectfully, Chris H. ------------------------------ From: "Roland Isla" Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 08:38:10 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Boxing videos Hello, This is sort of a non-FMA question. But, I was wondering if anyone knew where I could buy some videos of old boxing bouts. I'm not particularly interested in well-advertized bouts like the Ali-Frazier, or Suger Ray Leonard stuff. I was more interested in fights that featured Orlando Canizales, Salvador Sanchez (especially against Danny Lopez), Edwin Rosario or Matt Franklin (later Matthew Saad Mohammed). Anyway, if anyone could suggest a source, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks, Roland Isla ------------------------------ From: kalkiusa@netscape.net Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:56:12 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Jet Li Just a quiet comment re: Jet Li and sinawali ... Chinese martial arts involves -many- different types of paired weapons the use of which involves patterns very much like what we find in the FMAs, e.g., sinawali. The martial arts of India also have these patterns for paired weapons, including paired flexible weapons like the Chinese. If I look at FMA through the background and eyes of CMA, I see what I have already learned via CMA. If I look at CMA through the background and eyes of FMA, I see what I have already learned via FMA. Watching KOTD I didn't see any FMA (just MHO) unless it was poorly-performed FMA ... it looked like something else. The "sinawali" in particular ... I learned "Heaven 6" and some related basics from Chinese broadsword ... made it easy to pick up FMA "Heaven 6" when I got to FMAs. I can remember getting yelled at by one instructor because my sinawali was more "kung fu" than FMA, more circular than what he was doing, i.e., off the shoulder to hit, ! retract to other shoulder. I relaxed the wrist after the hit to let the stick's momentum bring it back to the opposite shoulder. Anyway, gotta remember that a whole lotta people play with sticks. If the scene was a portrayal of an FMA class, well, my brain just won't let me go there ... guys standing around in karate garb? H'mm ... theatrical license mebbe ... didn't look Filipino/Malay to me once I got past the obvious (sticks). What can I say, I've been a Jet Li fan for about 18 years! (The Shaolin Temple, Shaolin Kids, Once Upon A Time in China, etc.) Mitakeyu Oyasin. Be well, Mik __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 7:40:33 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #309 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.