From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #312 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Wed, 11 July 2001 Vol 08 : Num 312 In this issue: eskrima: 3rd FMA Movie eskrima: FMA in the Movies eskrima: Re: 3re movies name eskrima: FMAs in Melbourne? eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #311 eskrima: Inayan in Knoxville eskrima: Generic FMA and 3 Movies That Promote FMA eskrima: Re: Crafty Dogs fight ? eskrima: Oh no, that datu thing again... eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kendal Coats Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 07:19:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: 3rd FMA Movie Would the third be the legendary ARNIS "Sticks of Death" with Johnnie no shirt and his grandpa teaching him. I suspect one scene was cut for the american version, where Johnnie meets two hotties stuck in the mud driving a convertable, then flash they are out of the mud though all three are covered..what happened? Was your #2 film Last Dragon the film with ShoNuff the Shogun of Harlem...was there FMA in it, or just breakdancin with sticks? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: kalkiusa@netscape.net Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:19:40 -0400 Subject: eskrima: FMA in the Movies Re: FMA in a dood light in movies, how about Speakman in "Perfect Weapon?" He's a Kenpo man, but isn't the stick in Kenpo often from FMA? The promise of viewing them put to good use onscreen in that flick is what got my attention. Re: Someone thinking that fighting with sticks is no good because they saw someone get beaten in a movie ... well if that's their measure of reality then better for those of us who pick up the stick to use it in defense against them, eh? Only problem is if we're looking to them for income, i.e., tuition. IMHO, there are some times when I'd prefer that someone take my capacities lightly ... can lead them to make bigger mistakes which might work out in my favor. If someone doesn't thinnk that your methods have merit and they attack you, the element of surprise is all yours. You have an advantage which they would be unprepared to deal with. Same is true of anyone who takes something lightly without knowing what they're dealing with. So let them think that sticks "don't work" then beat them with your stick. I've encountered a few who thought that kung fu/kali/silat are "soft", "pretty", etc. One outweighed me by about 80npounds, stood at least 4 inches taller than me. I q! uietly broke his ribs one day. Who cares what fools think (on this topic anyway)? We should just focus on making our tools "super" ;-) The quality of Jet Li's work is a good example. Mitakeyu Oyasin. Be well, Mik __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ From: abanico-video-knuettel@t-online.de (Dieter =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kn=FCttel?=) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:22:45 +0200 Subject: eskrima: Re: 3re movies name > Regarding Mr. Milazzo's question what 3 movies show FMA in a good light. I > can only name 2 and describe the 3rd: Pacific Connection, The Last Dragon > and the 3rd one is where a cop visits the Philippines and is assisted by/ > helps the local police force. This movie shows some good FMA scences at the > police academy. I think the actors were Modern Arnis people. > Sorry, I can not supply more detail. > > Respectfully, > Al Sardinas > Student of Garimot System of Arnis Hello Al, the third movies name is "Sticks of death" starring Roland Dantes as the filipino Policeman and Dr. Frank Scalercio as the american cop. Rolanf Dantes was a long time student of GM Remy Presas when he still was in the philippines. He is also the partner of the Professor in his first Modern Arnis book of 1973. He was also a successful bodybuilder, reaching 5th place in the 1974 Mr. Olympia bodybuilding contest (I think). BTW, has anybody got any background knowledge about the FMA history of Dr. Fank Scalercio? Regards from Germany Dieter Knüttel ABANICO Video Productions http://www.abanico.de http://modern-arnis.de ------------------------------ From: "Hutchins, Jamie" Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:30:33 -0400 Subject: eskrima: FMAs in Melbourne? Hi, I wonder if any of the digest members know of a reputable FMA teacher/school in Melbourne, Australia? I've finally convinced my brother to give it a go but he lives in Aus these days so I don't even get the pleasure of slapping him around myself. Thanks for any help, Jamie ------------------------------ From: Bladewerkr@aol.com Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:49:24 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #311 Anyone aware of any FMA instructors or practioners in the border area of North and South Carolina? I am about halfway between Greeneville/Spartanburg SC and Asheville, NC. I understand there are some Pekita Tirsia folks in Myrtle Beach but that is about hrs away. I also hear thet theres a PT school along with an Inyan Escrima group in Knoxville, TN. I could make it there occasionally but it would be neat if there is someone closer. Thanks, Be Well, Bear ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 8:39:57 PDT Subject: eskrima: Inayan in Knoxville > Myrtle Beach but that is about hrs away. I also hear thet theres a PT school > along with an Inyan Escrima group in Knoxville, TN. I could make it there > occasionally but it would be neat if there is someone closer. Thanks, Be Masirib Guro Steve Klement, Inayan Systems International, is in Knoxville. http://www.inayaneskrima.com. A great eskrima instructor! Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "John Koeshall" Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:56:35 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Generic FMA and 3 Movies That Promote FMA With all due respect, I couldn't agree with you more about the issue of cultural respect, however for the idiot that wants to fight me...I am more than happy for them to think that FMA is not effective...heheheh... John From: "al sardinas" Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 06:51:35 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Generic FMA and 3 Movies That Promote FMA ...However, my thoughts were that any movie that shows any type of stick work in a negative light is not good for FMA's in general because of people's natural tendency to stereotype - like every Chinese person knows Kung Fu. In the same manner, people see a movie and see the person using a stick is defeated then they think that stick fighting is no good. Therefore, when they first encounter FMA, their first thought is "Hey, I saw this in so an so movie, it's no good". _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Bill Lowery" Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:09:12 +0100 Subject: eskrima: Re: Crafty Dogs fight ? Hi Crafty, >e.g. a local jerk who loosed his Rott with a fight collar to try him out- Z knocked him on his back and grabbed his penis-- end of fight< Your dog grabbed HIS dogs penis, not his, yes? ;-) Bill Lowery ------------------------------ From: "Jay de Leon" Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:29:36 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Oh no, that datu thing again... To Tim Hartman: As you said, you started it. During the datu thread, several list members e-mailed me privately to exchange thoughts on this, some to vent. I gave them my views, that initially I have always shrugged this off as another promotional gimmick, live and let live, I have tremendous respect and admiration for Prof. Remy Presas whom I met way back in the early 70's, and maybe this hullaballoo will just blow over. But you just don't get it. The word "datu" is not taboo. Using the title "datu" out of its original meaning and intent (several knowledgeable list members have explained how one is born or becomes a real datu) and appropriating it as one's title are culturally insensitive and inappropriate, probably illegal if not insulting in some countries. I visited the band's website, and for the record, I do not know this band or any bandmember. First of all, they do not call themselves datus, but "Datu's Tribe," and in that context, they are using the word datu in its original meaning and intent. Since I do not know anybody in the band, I do not know if any of them is a descendant or tribal member of a datu, but assuming not one of them is a tribal member of a datu, the band's name is a poetic license if you will, to reflect their radical persona and avowed social consciousness and crusade. Mr. Hartman, please do not flatter yourself and call yourself a bad, bad datu. Historically, there have been bad datus in RP, and you are giving them a bad name. You are a datu-datuhan. Please check with GP Abon for the meaning, as he had the initial honor of bestowing this title on you. I am appalled that somebody of your stature, Professor Presas's most senior (in skill and rank, I believe you said in a previous post?) student and head of a Modern Arnis splinter group, keeps flaunting his arrogance, lack of historical knowledge and sensitivity, and flippant attitude towards an issue that raises hackles or at least rubs a lot of fellow FMA practitioners the wrong way. Sir, I urge you to take the high road, be the true inheritor and representative of a respected system that you profess to be, build bridges (within the FMA community) instead of creating rifts, and relegate this issue to the past. Respectfully, Jay de Leon ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:04:35 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #312 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.