From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #315 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thur, 12 July 2001 Vol 08 : Num 315 In this issue: eskrima: FMA Instructor database Subject: eskrima: Tyre work eskrima: Fear & Redirected aggression eskrima: Re: FMA Movie/Ernie Reyes Jr eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #314 eskrima: Re: Tyre work Re: eskrima: Re: Tyre work Re: eskrima: Re: FMA Movie/Ernie Reyes Jr eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. 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For those who are looking to either find instructors or list yourselves to be found, you may be interested in the FMA Instructors Database at http://www.pekiti-tirsia.org:8080/FMA/ Organizations, vendors and other things are also listed. Current counts are Instructors 977 listings Organizations 255 listings Glossary 1741 terms Vendors 34 listings NOTE: While Pekiti-Tirsia, Dog Brothers, and K.I.L. are sponsors, it is intended to be a non-denominational service for all the FMA. \ - -- \ Pekiti-Tirsia kali Loki Jorgenson /\ Maelstrom Martial Arts \/ / O / silat Jati Wisesa loki@pekiti-tirsia.org (604) 837-0240 \ Dog Brothers MA www.pekiti-tirsia.org/ManoBaston/ \ Inosanto Academy ------------------------------ From: "johnaleen" Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:04:11 -0400 Subject: Subject: eskrima: Tyre work Dear Jamie..... tire work...... i have had a few of my teachers over the years work there teams on tires, for instance i believe the Southern calif Doce Pares association use's this method of training, what Guro Ramon and Guro Eva do is they have a stack of tires that are mounted on a wood board stacked on top of each other 5 or 6 together, the wood board has wheels on it for easy movement, you can find there email address and information on the page listed below, i believe if you write to them, they or one of there students in calif that works with the tires regularly would be willing to describe some of the techs and give you insight and some smaller tips, http://www.f-a-t-e.org/Bios/masters%20Bios/rubia.html There email address and phone number is on the page...... best way to keep the sticks from getting too chewed up and mucky is by taking either cloth or duct tape and wrapping them with it, makes the sticks last longer as well because the tire work is very good for power shots and building up your power strikes, unfortunately after a few days of doing the Ba-Bam strike to the head with power behind it, your sticks get mushy fast without the tape.... here is a quick tip for you as well if your going to start training on the tires, because i am a woman i have very small wrists, with rheumatoid arthritis, to build the muscles in the wrists and make them stronger not only for my healing and keeping the arthritis at bay but to bring more snap and power to my strikes i started slipping on 1 lb wrist weights wile i do my training, striking, and twirling, solo, for men that have larger hands and cant get them though the smaller wrist weights, you can use ankle weights instead. i work this way each day with them at least 30 min, after warm up and then i take them off and start doing my power strikes, amazing how much more i found i improved power wise from doing this. it did not take long either to see the difference, about a month of doing this changed things greatly.... another of my teachers takes just one tire as well and hangs it from a chain and lets it hang freely like a heavy bag... though i have worked with both its not the method i use personally or teach to my students, we work with something quite different, the organization is in the process of coming out with 2 tech books and a healing video for fundraising for a few of the community programs that we are working on, one of these will be a book for doing a similar type of training with the tires but with a different target being used...... few more weeks and the book will be out and on the market i believe.........:) Ms. J bows deeply....... "When i am an old women, I do not want them to say, "She is such a charming old women" I would rather them say, " Be careful that old women is armed and Dangerous!!!!!!!" ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:28:51 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Fear & Redirected aggression A Howl etc: Chris wrote: "Regarding Guro Crafty's comment "Training such as other breeds are put through, is not only unnecessary, but is a MISTAKE..." Mas Ayoob strongly cautions against "attack" dog training. He suggested "protection" dog training (by a professional) in some cases, but in general felt that a well trained / well treated dog would instinctively protect it's owner & family." To be precise, my comment on attack training was directed towards Akitas. A typical Akita is already quite an arrogant animal, and any training which lessens his willingness to tolerate stupid humans runs the risk of lowering his action threshhold to unacceptable levels. Most dogs, including some large breeds believed to be good protection dogs, are naturally reluctant to mix it up with genuine bad ass humans. The fascinating book "The Dogs of Capitalism", begins with the story of a pizza delivery guy who recognized a voice calling in an order as the voice of someone who had robbed him previously. So he called the police and they told him to go ahead and make the delivery and they would be in the bushes with a police attack dog and when the robber announced his intentions, he should drop to the ground and the police dog would attack the robber. Everything went according to plan except the police dog was afraid of the robber and bit the pizza guy as he lay on the ground. Similarly, a couple of weeks ago I just clipped a picture out of the newspaper illustrating the same concept. There's a riot going on and as two policeman, one with dog in tow, were approaching the line of scrimmage and were still some 15 yards away, the police dog bit his handler's partner. Judging from the partner's response, I'd say it hurt! The caption said that the dog was "confused". No, he was afraid of the scrimmage line and redirected his energy on a less frightening target. My point, perhaps being expressed somewhat tangentially by these examples, is that most dogs will fear dangerous humans. Such an animal may benefit from training that will boost his confidence. A second point is this matter of re-direction of the fear/aggression on a less frightening target. In my opinion we sometimes see this in human interaction as well. Crafty Dog ------------------------------ From: Steve Klement Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:13:51 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re: FMA Movie/Ernie Reyes Jr OK - here's some trivia.... Can anyone say where or from who Ernie Reyes or Ernie Reyes Jr. received the early bulk of FMA knowledge? This was during the time that "West Coast Tae Kwon Do" was still Ed Fong, Tony Thompson and Ernie Reyes.... - -- Steve Klement Masirib Guro www.inayaneskrima.com klement@inayaneskrima.com Inayan Systems International > From: Plumador@aol.com > Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 04:48:08 EDT > Subject: eskrima: FMA Movie/Ernie Reyes Jr > > Don't know if anybody mentioned it yet, but Ernie Reyes Jr recently released > a movie called the Ultimate Fight. > > Believe me. This movie has plenty of FMA. The movie isn't great, but all the > FMA featured in the movie totally makes it worth watching. It actually starts > off with a Death Match in the beginning, includes a balisong fight. Lots of > good FMA shit. > > Also, Arnis was never meant to be used for fair play. I have seen one fight > where 2 very good eskrimadors beat the fuck out of an unarmed guy who did not > know Martial Arts at all. Yes, they both used sticks and it was very brutal > and unfair. The Ultimate fight actually has an Arnis scene, that follows this > concept. ------------------------------ From: "R.J. Marcaida" Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:06:18 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #314 Greetings, I would like to put in my 2 cents regarding movies and a past thread w/c spoke about FMA empty hands. I practically lived in the Phils all my life and have seen everything from street fights where weapons were involved and empty hands. From what I have noticed, a normal fist fight almost never occurs. At some stage weapons become involved.From bottles to chairs,knives etc. This is something that is considered normal unlike here in America where fights w/ weapons(especially knives) carry a huge punishment when caught. I have fought and trained under different FMA systems and I noticed that the MA in general is not considered a big deal. Rather than walk away a Filipino will fight to "save face" even though the odds are against him. When he realizes this, he finds a weapon one way or another. A simple misunderstanding turns into a life threatenning situation because of pride. That's why empty hands fighting is something that really almost never exists in their everyday lives. It is almost a given that a simple Jeepney (public transpo) driver carries either a lead pipe , a knife or at least a screwdriver at all times. Because of poverty, pride is something that is the one thing they have left to protect and almost always be willing to die to save it w/c I think is unreasonable to a certain extent. So why is empty hands fighting tournaments almost non existent? A simple Filipino never takes chances and feels he doesn't have to learn how to fight for as long as he can get hold pf a weapon closeby. Besides, learning how to fight does not put food on ones table. Yaw-Yan is one system that has dominated the entire empty hand tournaments at one time. No other system was willing to fight them to a point that even til today Filipinos don't really care for it because ring fighting or FMA in general is not popular enough to feed ones family. It saddens me to say that Filipinos would rather learn arts such as TKD, Karate, Aikido than their own art w/c stems from colonial mentallity wherein "if it's imported it must be better". This is probably the greatest reason as to why Grandmasters come to the U.S. where the FMA is greatly appreciated and respected in the MA world. How many Filipino's come to the U.S. only to find out that the FMA is one of the most practical system when it comes to street fights and weaponry? They may not even know what Arnis, escrima is all about and yet they trainned in TKD or Karate back in the Phil. I've met a few and as a matter of fact my brother was one of them. I saw KOTD and found nothing wrong w/ it. First of all they were wearing Japanese uniforms and didn't have rattan sticks. Thay can show crap regarding the FMA for all I care but deep inside I know what I've learned and practice works in real life situation and that's all that matters unless you are trying to promote or have your own FMA school. Take care and God Bless, Rj Marcaida ------------------------------ From: gints@att.net Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:24:51 +0000 Subject: eskrima: Re: Tyre work >b) Do you fix the tyres together, suspend them, attach >them to a wall or >what? Anyone have a 'tyre target' construction plan? A couple of years ago, I practiced on two small tires that I picked up for no charge from a tire shop trash pile. I would tie them together and hang them like the number eight. They made a lot of noise, so I stuffed them with padding material. They would bounce around a lot, so I hung them on my heavy bag and weighted them down with a dumbbell attached by a rope on the bottom tire. I marked them off in eights with white tape and practiced all sorts of striking patterns that targeted both the outside and inside of the tires. >c) Do you use normal rattan sticks - I seem to smash >mine without much The sticks definitely pick up a lot of black rubber, but I doubt that you'll fray your sticks from the tire workout. If you're sensitive to stick appearance, go to Nordstrom and purchase a facial mask paste (I am partial to hazelnut-cucumber with lavender). Scrub the sticks with a non-soap cleanser, otherwise you'll dry out the oil in the rattan pores. Then, apply the paste to the end of the sticks with your fingertips, rinse, buff with an Egyptian cotton towel and let them sit overnight. That should cleanse all of the rattan pores of the black tire rubber. Gooc luck ! ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:24:44 PDT Subject: Re: eskrima: Re: Tyre work > The sticks definitely pick up a lot of black > rubber, but I doubt that you'll fray your sticks > from the tire workout. If you're sensitive to stick > appearance, go to Nordstrom and purchase > a facial mask paste (I am partial to > hazelnut-cucumber with lavender). Scrub the > sticks with a non-soap cleanser, otherwise you'll > dry out the oil in the rattan pores. Then, apply the > paste to the end of the sticks with your fingertips, > rinse, buff with an Egyptian cotton towel and let > them sit overnight. That should cleanse all of the > rattan pores of the black tire rubber. Now that must be a first for the list. Rattan beauty secrets... :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:05:10 PDT Subject: Re: eskrima: Re: FMA Movie/Ernie Reyes Jr > OK - here's some trivia.... > > Can anyone say where or from who Ernie Reyes or Ernie Reyes Jr. received the > early bulk of FMA knowledge? I know!!! I know!!!! :) Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com We miss you, Suro... ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:10:03 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #315 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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