From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #316 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 13 July 2001 Vol 08 : Num 316 In this issue: eskrima: Star Wars FMA eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #314 eskrima: Re: Ernie Reyes' FMA background eskrima: Re: Tyre Work eskrima: Sifu Richard Bustillo in Sacramento, August eskrima: Re: Jay de Leon comments on that "thing again" eskrima: knife video eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Koblic" Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:28:48 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Star Wars FMA ". Sometime last year I heard that in the next Star Wars, Yoda will use escrima with two shortened light sabers. " Yes, the fight scene with the robot R2-Datu will be especially noteworthy :-) Mike Koblic, Campbell River, BC ------------------------------ From: "Pentjakker" Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 22:57:11 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #314 the link below will take you to the bios of one of my teachers, he has been listed on the organizations Masters Bio pages http://www.f-a-t-e.org/Bios/masters%20Bios/Masters.html Curious how Mr. T. E. Katana makes the list? Got a letter in '85 I think, to swim in cold water, do sets of 50 pushups at will, climb ropes and run 8 miles a day..... silly me I joined the Marine Corps. ;) Regards, Travis ------------------------------ From: Kes41355@aol.com Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 23:23:36 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Ernie Reyes' FMA background In a message dated 7/12/01 7:19:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << OK - here's some trivia.... Can anyone say where or from who Ernie Reyes or Ernie Reyes Jr. received the early bulk of FMA knowledge? This was during the time that "West Coast Tae Kwon Do" was still Ed Fong, Tony Thompson and Ernie Reyes.... - >> Hi Steve, My guess would be from Suro Mike Inay, since in an old special issue of Black Belt magazine, Reyes Sr. listed Mike as one of his teachers, and I know that one of my teachers used to instruct the Reyes in Inayan Eskrima at the Reyes' school when Mike was unavailable to teach that particular evening. Kim Satterfield ------------------------------ From: Kel620@aol.com Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 01:10:44 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Tyre Work Watch out for exposed wire from the steel belted tires when you use your live hand on it. I guess this can be avoided by using tires that aren't worn down to the belt... ------------------------------ From: "Dave Huang" Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 13:18:47 Subject: eskrima: Sifu Richard Bustillo in Sacramento, August Hi Everyone: Sifu Richard will be in Northern California August 18 and 19, hope to see you all there. International Martial arts Boxing Seminar with RICHARD BUSTILLO A member of the Black Belt Hall of Fame - Instructor of the Year Award, the World Martial Arts Hall of Fame - Pioneer Award, and the Filipino Martial Arts Hall of Fame - Life Time Achievement Award, has the distinction of being certified as a law enforcement defensive tactics instructor with the FBI, LAPD, and the LASD. Sifu Bustillo is a founding member of the Bruce Lee Educational Foundation and a senior instructor of Bruce Lee's Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do. He is a recognized 9th degree black belt and Grandmaster with the fame Cacoy Doce Pares Eskrima of Cebu, Philippines. Sat. & Sun., August 18 & 19, @ Heritage Hotel 1780 Tribute Road, Sacramento, CA The hands-on training is not designed to compete against your style but will compliment all levels from beginner to advanced. We will not teach you only martial art techniques. We will teach you to be able to develop it. We call this process Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do. Evolve with change for a simple and practical seminar. Under age 18 must have prior approval to attend. No spectators or video allowed. Come see why Richard Bustillo is one of the most internationally acclaimed and sought after martial artist in the world. Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do Saturday Morning @ 9 A.M. to 11:30 A.M. Bruce Lee's basic footwork, hand/foot speed, explosive power and strength drills, philosophies, and training concepts to enhance the three combat ranges below. Jujitsu/Wrestling Saturday Afternoon @ 1 P.M. to 3:30 P.M. Learn basic standing and ground grappling. Sense body positioning for escapes and defense. Recognize submission holds, locking drills, reverses and counters. Boxing/Muay Thai Sunday Morning @ 9 A.M. to 11:30 A.M. Bring focus gloves and Thai pads for offense/defense/counter drills on Boxing and Muay Thai. Understand training techniques for self defense and sport. Kali/Eskrima/Arnis Sunday Afternoon @ 1 P.M. to 3:30 P.M. Bring double Stick and single stick for training drills for Pangamot (empty hand), Agaw (disarming), Dumog (grappling), and Pormas (forms). Fee: $85.00/in advance 95.00/after August 10th $75.00/advance group fee - 5 or more by August 10, $65.00/per day or $45.00/per session For registration contact: Dave Huang (209) 380-2508 email: dhlw@hotmail.com (Subject: IMB Seminar) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Ernest Westbrook" Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 13:46:52 -0000 Subject: eskrima: Re: Jay de Leon comments on that "thing again" >From: "Jay de Leon" >Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:29:36 -0700 >Subject: eskrima: Oh no, that datu thing again... > >To Tim Hartman: > >As you said, you started it. During the datu thread, several list >members >e-mailed me privately to exchange thoughts on this, some to >vent. I gave >them my views, that initially I have always shrugged >this off as another >promotional gimmick, live and let live, I have >tremendous respect and >admiration for Prof. Remy Presas whom I met >way back in the early 70's, >and maybe this hullaballoo will just blow >over. Dear Jay, I am not going to say too much on this "thing", other than I am in complete agreement with your position. >But you just don't get it. The word "datu" is not taboo. Using the >title >"datu" out of its original meaning and intent (several >knowledgeable list >members have explained how one is born or becomes >a real datu) and >appropriating it as one's title are culturally >insensitive and >inappropriate, probably illegal if not insulting in >some countries. You are absolutely correct, Hartman, does not get it!! It is a personal attack on him, it is the misuse of the title outside of its correct cultural context and he does not get, nor do any of his students/supporters who constantly put the matter into a personal context. >I visited the band's website, and for the record, I do not know this >band >or any bandmember. First of all, they do not call themselves >datus, but >"Datu's Tribe," and in that context, they are using the >word datu in its >original meaning and intent. That does put the matter into a very different syntaxual meaning, doesn't it? Hartman, wants to create a situation where he is being attacked so that he can evolve the sympathy ploy among has students/supporters and continue to justify in his own mind, his continued usage of the title. (snipped portion of post) >Mr. Hartman, please do not flatter yourself and call yourself a bad, >bad >datu. Historically, there have been bad datus in RP, and you are >giving >them a bad name. You are a datu-datuhan. Please check with GP >Abon for >the meaning, as he had the initial honor of bestowing this >title on you. Hmmm... does he really want to do that? Does he really want to know what the phrase means? >I am appalled that somebody of your stature, Professor Presas's most > >senior (in skill and rank, I believe you said in a previous post?) > >student and head of a Modern Arnis splinter group, keeps flaunting >his >arrogance, lack of historical knowledge and sensitivity, and >flippant >attitude towards an issue that raises hackles or at least >rubs a lot of >fellow FMA practitioners the wrong way. You just hit the nail squarely on its head... he is the leader of "...a Modern Arnis splinter group..." and he needs to keep his name in the public view because he does not have the official recognition of Professor Presas and he is being ignored by the new active leadership of the IMAF. >Sir, I urge you to take the high road, be the true inheritor and >representative of a respected system that you profess to be, build >bridges >(within the FMA community) instead of creating rifts, and >relegate this >issue to the past. Jay, you are quite correct in your advise to this guy, but will he and his cohorts listen to you? I doubt it. ArchBishop EBrook 2nd Chief Teacher - Surge Eskrima USA THE Wicked Warlock of the West _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 7:50:36 PDT Subject: eskrima: knife video Just a heads-up... I just watched a (new to me) video on knife fighting. Free Style Knife Fighting, featuring Brazil's Antonio Favio Testa. The box states 'after nearly 30 years of learning and practising both of Brazil Jungle and Cangaceiro Knife Fighting systems, Testa has put together both styles to form his own unique system of knife fighting'. Cangaciero seems to be defined on the video as desert knife fighting. ?? In short, don't waste your $$. Poor production, seemed to be filmed in the back of a weightlifting gym with weights clanging in the background, difficult at times to even hear the speaker. Not much in the way of real material. The box claims 'Approx. 30 min'. It is 20 mins at most, minus the tape's head and tail. I did see one somewhat interesting three man drill (2 on 1) that I might use (all the drills were three man drills), but in general a poor video. Available at Amazon.com, but IMHO save your $$. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 7:52:26 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #316 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.