From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #317 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 13 July 2001 Vol 08 : Num 317 In this issue: eskrima: Ultimate Fight W/ Reyes [none] eskrima: Re: CO. Tom Katana eskrima: Renegade eskrima: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ron=20Balicki=20Seminar=21?= eskrima: that thing... eskrima: Tire Stacks eskrima: Eric Lo Seminar Series please read Re: eskrima: Renegade eskrima: seminar eskrima: Chinese stick fighting? eskrima: Rib injury eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kendal Coats Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 07:20:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Ultimate Fight W/ Reyes Personally I wanted my money back after renting this vidoe. Yeah there was a little FMA and I liked that, but who wrote this crap. They never explained what Pinoy was doing in the film, The Reyas family played a drug stealin gang, who after each fight realxed with shots of whiskie and a smoke. Reyas Sr. and Pinoy fight for no reason, and Reyas often has Bruce Lee Syndrome where after dispatching one "bad Guy" throws his sticks down to fight the next......Tweet... Flag on the play...gratituatis use of a TKD demo team in unrealistic high flyin fight scenes...15 yards.. And to top it off was TV's Parker Lewis (FOX-TV circa 1988) playin a Natzi Hitler Lookalike, crossdressing, foot fetish, incest with his sister, drug addicted, evil drug loard. I could write a better script while sittin on the thunder bucket, which is where this movie belongs, in the shitter. Save your $4, and just watch Tenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Peace <<>>> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: "Jeff T. Inman" Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 09:01:51 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [none] Marc Denny wrote: > My point, perhaps being expressed somewhat tangentially by these examples, > is that most dogs will fear dangerous humans. Such an animal may benefit > from training that will boost his confidence. Worked for this dog. Woof. ------------------------------ From: "johnaleen" Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 11:38:04 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re: CO. Tom Katana Travis.... i am not sure what your question is if any...............:) Co. Katana is on this list and unless someone has copied the bio and put it on line somewhere else in the past few months, you will find the only official biography for this man on the FATE org site. NOTE: with his permission as well as the TEAMs..... and as far as the accuracy they were the ones that sent me the bio... and Co. Katana approved it and the page......:) are you asking how he got there ? well it states why people are on that list.... evidently there must be some kind of personal history there with him for him to even be on the list and for us to have him and his permission to have his only authorized bio..... now if you were looking for story's and stuffs like that about the history of Commander Katana and his relationship to the Organization.... i can give you my business partners email address and you can ask him for the story's and the history behind the TEAMs training he gave them over the years........:) me trying to relate them here to you on ED with my Dyslexia would be unfair for everyone...... Including myself............:) Ms J..... smiles and bows deeply..... PS. as far as what military organization you joined, to me personally, i dont really have that much concern what branch you choose or why, i have been attached to almost every one of the military branches over the past 15 years as a civ..... i have seen the other side too.............:) for me it is more the reasons you joined the military that matters, not what branch. and then the examples you left as an American if you traveled out side the US....... its amazing the stupidity that i have personally witnessed over the years by young US military men overseas and the terrible reputation that has been left by some of them in some of the 3rd world country i have lived in........ as a matter of fact there were many country's i have lived in or been too that when someone asked me what country i was from i would say...... CANADA why? well because the negative examples and reps set there by US military men before hand left such a bad impression of what Americans are like that the stigma makes it hard to get past and be accepted at times for who you are and not who or what country you belong too..... you know i believe it was a young Marine Corps man that i saw drunk out of his mind and then urinate on a statue of turkeys national icon Attaturk in Istanbul Turkey in 93, granted he was almost killed by the natives there and taken to jail until the US got him snuck out of the county and things quieted down..... yes this is sad but......... its been my experience many times over a 15 year time frame wile i lived overseas and traveled globally on a regular basis................:( note: i could be off a year on the date...... i am old now and my mind is not as crisp.....:) ****************** > From: "Pentjakker" > Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 22:57:11 -0400 > Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #314 > > the link below will take you to the bios of one of my teachers, he has been > listed on the organizations Masters Bio pages > http://www.f-a-t-e.org/Bios/masters%20Bios/Masters.html > > Curious how Mr. T. E. Katana makes the list? Got a letter in '85 I think, > to swim in cold water, do sets of 50 pushups at will, climb ropes and run 8 > miles a day..... silly me I joined the Marine Corps. ;) > > Regards, > Travis >********************8 ------------------------------ From: "tim hartman" Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 16:51:56 Subject: eskrima: Renegade Dear Digest Members- In light of recent events, it seems that I have to explain myself once again. I recently put up a post about a band called Datu's Tribe. This was an attempt at humor. This may be a foreign concept to some of the members on the digest, but a martial artist is allowed to have a sense of humor. Humor is based on your point of view - what some people find funny, others may not. In the case of Mike Kobelic, who recently put up the "R2 Datu" comment, I thought that was funny. I didn't take personal offense. On one of the previous rants on datus, there were a handful of list members who came up with a bunch of similar terms for datu, i.e. - "et tu, datu". My post was nothing more than an attempt at humor, yet Jay and Ernest seem to give me much more credit than I deserve. I remember when the digest used to be more entertaining, and people weren't so anal retentive. I have had many private e-mails sent to me by many of the digest members who agree with me. They had stopped posting because they saw that all it added was fuel to the fire. And no matter how logical and how much proof they had, there was someone ready to twist the words around. I should take this as a compliment. Remy told me several years ago that the more successful I become, the more clowns there would be around taking shots at me. This was evident two or three years ago when Professor started addressing me as Punong-Guro. He had told me that it meant "teacher of teachers". After talking to several Filipinos instructors to get a definition from someone of that culture, I started using the title more often. And what do you know? Someone was there telling me I had no right to use it and how dare I insult Edgar Sulite's memory by using that title. He went so far as to challenge me to a knife fight in Germany while assisting Professor Presas on one of his tours. I was there, but he never showed. The camp was listed to be in Hamburg, and I was there for over a week. Once again, this was a title that many people were using, several of who were not Filipino. The question is why was I singled out?? The same question keeps running through my head, time and time again. With all the non-Filipino FMAs out there, using title like my own, how come I am being singled out? If there is such a big hang up on titles today, then maybe Ray should introduce a new rule on this forum, that no one is allowed to sign their letters other than their family name and any nickname they would like to use, i.e. - The Rock, The Renegade, The Gasoline Man. I have followed the rules of this forum and only once has Ray sent something back and told me to re-work it. That tells me for the most part, that I must be behaving, to one extent or another. Yet I still hear crap from the same people time and time again, to the point that even Ray asks me what is up with these individuals. Maybe it's nervous energy. Maybe some members of the digest need to vent their frustrations in other ways. Maybe take a workshop in humor - not necessarily finding everything funny, but being able to recognize an attempt at it. This may or may not have cleared up some issues, but it is the way that I feel. I have also attached a copy of the e-mail that I sent Jay. You may or may not find it interesting. Yours Truly Datu Tim Hartman The Renegade Jay, I think you need to chill out a little. The post was supposed to be funny, and if Ray didn't want it on the digest he would not have let it get in! It seems that the only place I run into the datu argument is on the digest. I have talked to more than one Filipino grandmaster, and the answer comes up the same - datu is the chief of a tribe or clan. This is based on the use in the Philippines. I do a Filipino martial art, and two of my teachers are Filipinos from the islands. Nothing personal, but I don't know most of the people on the digest and I don't know how accurate their information is. I find it hard to believe based on the information that I have received that the only thing that disqualifies me from being a datu is that I am a white boy. My use of the title is restricted to my flyers and my correspondence. When I am on the mats I go by Mr. Hartman or Tim. The Professor chose to use the title "professor" instead of grandmaster so people would not be intimidated and feel more comfortable around him. But his flyers advertise him as the grandmaster. I do the same in my advertising with datu and go by Mr. Hartman for the same result. At the level that I am in our organization, I could also use the title of master, but I don't feel comfortable with using that title. I view master and grandmaster as being almost the same. In my use of this title, I don't intend to insult anyone, as with Mr. Westbrook using Archbishop as a flagrant disrespect of the title. Whether or not I have the right to use the title due to cultural considerations remains to be seen. But I do not use it to try and insult the people who have created the art that means so much to me. The use of this title in the Modern Arnis organization has been established for over fourteen years. I am not the only white boy who has this title. And the use of datu by non-Filipinos has not been restricted to the modern arnis world. I am not sure what datu-datuhan means. If this is a derogatory comment that was made by Guro Abon then it had been taken care via private e-mail. I had shared some information with him. Then he posted about the alleged Taboada challenge with Rocky backing out. This information was flawed. I posted on the digest about the error in the statement which caused Abon to then put up a follow up statement directed toward me which was a little agitated. I e-mailed him privately as opposed to making a big, ugly scene on the digest, telling him that my only intent was to clear up the misinformation that was in his post, and I was taking no sides. But after talking to GM Buot, he thought it best that I followed up. After which Abon followed with a private e-mail to me apologizing for overreacting. As martial artists, sometimes we get too serious over ourselves. And the digest forum seems to attract a lot of those people. When I talk to civilians, I poke fun at myself and our industry to break down any barriers that the over-obsessive martial artists have built. Even Remy himself uses the same type of tactics to make people feel more at ease around him. I have no problem with you but at times I think we can all agree that we get a little too serious on some issues. I found this Filipino bands' name entertaining and I thought to share it with the digest as a point of humor. But finally, as far as the use of the word datu in the Filipino culture, I have found nothing to say that I am not eligible to use the term. And if the recent article on Kelly Worden is accurate, the word pre-dates the time when the Muslim religion was introduced to the region. Many cultures especially the American, adapt words from other nations. If that was a crime, then the Knights of Columbus might have to worry about the Royal Family in England seeking them out and slapping them on the wrist. Of course after the Revolutionary War, I doubt if we will see that happening. Tim Hartman _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Alvis=20W=2E=20Solis?= Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 12:50:29 -0500 Subject: eskrima: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ron=20Balicki=20Seminar=21?= Woof! Ron Balicki seminar, August 25th and 26th. Download the flyer at: www.solismartialarts.com Alvis W. Solis ___________________________ Owner & Head Instructor Solis Martial Arts Academy 281-540-8443 ------------------------------ From: "Michael Milazzo" Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 14:34:30 -0400 Subject: eskrima: that thing... As Brian had made it known to the few on the digest that didn't get it, the statement was obviously said in jest... please get a sense of humor. One of the Datu's cohorts, Mike Milazzo (please note that the subtle sarcasm in the above statement is a JOKE -- no implications, nor any offense was meant to be given as a result of its usage. :-) ) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Mark Ward" Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 11:42:50 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Tire Stacks I built a tire stack a few months ago out of steel tubing, some box tubing (not sure the exact name of this, has a rectangular end profile), and of course a bunch of tires. The base looks like this from above: O | O===|===O | O It was formed by welding two shorter pieces of box tubing to one longer piece, these pieces must sit flat on the ground so this is your hardest bit of welding. On each end of the tubing I welded 1" inside diameter steel pipe as vertical as I could get it. Don't worry about making a jig, I just used a sledgehammer to whack the errant pieces into line. Each of the bits of 1" ID pipe had been drilled and tapped for a screw near the top. This is to keep your uprights in place. If you don't do this your tire stack will dynamically disassemble while you use it. I then cut four pieces of 1" outside diameter steel pipe to equal length (about 6'3" I think). For the top of the tire stack you will need a brace. I made this in much the same manner as the base, except you don't need to make a flat-bottomed crucifix - you can just weld two equal length bits of square tubing as the brace will be hidden from view behind the tires. This brace needs to be drilled and tapped in the same manner as the base. Go to any tire store and ask for their scrap tires. They are only too happy to dispose of them. If you go to a big store you should have a giant pile of tires to go through, in which case you can (hopefully) find a bunch without any steel belts poking through. Trust me: you DON'T want those belts ripping up your hands. Note that you might have to convince the manager that you aren't going to use the tires on a vehicle. To assemble, place your four uprights (1" pipe) into the base and tighten the screws at the bottom. Stack your tires, then slide the support on top and tighten its screws. Try to get enough tires that you can cover the support and piping with rubber, else you might hit them with your sticks. Why did I make mine in this fashion? I wanted to be able to easily fashion and add arms / legs / whatever when I wanted. To do this I just have to weld a sleeve of 1" inside diameter tubing to the arm and add a set screw or two to hold the arm up. You can then remove your tires, slide the arm(s) wherever you want, and then restack the tires. Easy-Cheesy. It's a long way from the drone in "Dune", but it works and is sturdy as all get-out. Also, it easily diassembles for movement or storage (excepting the tires). Sorry if this isn't clear, email me if you have any questions. As for drills, I am a neophyte at the FMA's so I would look to other list members for their expert advice. I will note that my sinawali really took off once I got the stack. I had a hard time mastering different patterns without contact, and I can't imagine getting your timing down without an audible 'thwack'. Hope this helps, mfw mark f ward mfw@bowel.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Matthew Esparrago" Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 11:45:57 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Eric Lo Seminar Series please read Hello all, I had received an email from a friend about a wonderful opportunity to study with a renowned internal martial arts master from Taiwan. He is visiting the San Francisco Bay Area during the next 2 weeks and will be teaching seminars on a regular basis. I highly recommend that you all check him out! Regards, Matt Esparrago Co-Director School of Pilipino Mastery Arts In a message dated 7/10/01 8:45:54 AM, joewt2@yahoo.com writes: << Hey folks, Here's what the class schedule looks like for the next two weeks: Jul 12th, Thurs: Ba Gua Seminar Jul 14th and 15th (weekend): Gao Style Ba Gua (palm changes I-IV) Jul 16th, Mon: Tai Chi pushhands Jul 17th, Tues: Hsing-I Animal Forms Jul 18th, Wedn: Tai Chi fighting applications Jul 19th, Thurs: Hsing-I Ansen Pao (Two-Person Fighting Form) Jul 21, Sat: Gao Style Ba Gua (palm changes V-VIII) Jul 22, Sun: Ba Gua Eight Elbows Straight Line Form Evening seminars run from 7:30 to 10:30. Saturday seminars are from 12:30-7:30 (with break), and Sunday runs from 10-6, with break. These seminars don't come cheap: evening seminars are $55 if you pay in advance, $60 at the door. Weekend seminars are $235 in advance (includes both days) and $250 at the door. I talked to Bernie, and if you have lots of excess cash and want to do them all, you get the low-low bargain price of only $595! The location is In Motion Studio, up on San Pablo off of Solano (http://www.stillnessinmotion.com). If you had to choose only one class, I would be tempted to recommend the Hsing-I Ansen Pao two-person fighting form, because it is supposed to be hella dope, and it would be cool to have a form that we could practice together on Sundays. It is also a relatively rare form, typically only shown to advanced Hsing-I students (but don't let this intimidate you). If you can't make it, then those that do attend will do our best imitation of Eric Lo, and show you our versions of what we learned. Again, I can't highly recommend this guy enough. He is the epitome of what a martial artist should be: strong, fast, agile, and able to clearly manifest internal power. He presents his material systematically, emphasizing core principles instead of choreographies, with a clear sense of what he wants his students to take away from the instruction. Beyond this, he is a humble and friendly guy, lacking the ego-issues that are unfortunately so typical of martial artists of his caliber. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 12:39:25 PDT Subject: Re: eskrima: Renegade > digest. I have talked to more than one Filipino grandmaster, and the answer > comes up the same - datu is the chief of a tribe or clan. This is based on > the use in the Philippines. Well, I think we have heard here numerous times that it means more than just that. But time to move on, yet again. After all, the points have clearly been made. If people, on both sides, haven't changed their mind already then they are unlikely to. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 12:42:40 PDT Subject: eskrima: seminar Forwarded message: Greetings everyone, Can you please pass this on to your students and friends, Thank you, GM Tony Somera Guro Dan Inosanto 2 Day Seminar Stockton, California September 1 & 2, 2001 Hosted by Grand Master Tony Somera Space is Limited - Reserve Your Space Today World-renowned Martial Artist Guro Dan Inosanto will be conducting a 2-day seminar in his own hometown of Stockton, California. Where: In Shape City 7920 Kelley Drive Stockton, California When: September 1 & 2, 2001 Cost: $50.00 per day (Pre-registration by 8/27/01) or ($60.00 at the door) Time: 10 am to 4 pm Gear: 2 sticks a dagger, tennis shoes and workout clothing. Send Check or Money order - PRE REGISTRATION POST MARKED BY 8/27/01 payable to: Tony Somera Tonysomera@msn.com P.O. Box 8584 Stockton, CA 95208 209 478-0371 Directions: I-5 to Stockton, Exit Hammer Lane East, Kelley Drive North. 99 to Stockton, Exit Hammer Lane West, Kelley Drive North. Pre register and send in your fee before August 27, 2001. ------------------------------ From: "Sovann Pen" Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 12:15:18 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Chinese stick fighting? It may not be FMA but Jet Li puts an umbrella to good use in Once Upon a Time in China 1 & 2 (I think double stick in OUTIC 2). Also, batons in My Father is A Hero. An downward diagonal (#1)is a downward diagonal, no matter what language you speak, ya think? Is there a chinese stick fighting style or is all based on wushu sword? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Kevin Black" Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 19:20:54 Subject: eskrima: Rib injury Hello - I'm having pain in my back area with twisting motions, especially if I take a deep breath first. My massage therapist thinks I have strained intercostals. Anyone have any experience or advice to share? I'm not training right now, and it's KILLING ME! Thanks, Kevin _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 12:58:20 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #317 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.