From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #323 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Wed, 18 July 2001 Vol 08 : Num 323 In this issue: eskrima: Mime-Version: 1.0 eskrima: The Motts eskrima: Me too... eskrima: More datu replys eskrima: Kidnaps eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Luis Pellicer III Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:59:42 +0800 Subject: eskrima: Mime-Version: 1.0 >A Howl of Greeting to All: > >The following is from the Asian Wall Street Journal. Perhaps our many >Filipino members could offer their perspective? > >Crafty Dog > It's true, but what isn't mentioned is the kidnappings of locals which far outnumber the kidnappings of foreigners. Aside from this, right now there are people who will stab or KILL you to get your mobile phone. And these far outnumber kidnappings. Got a laugh from the Ingrams, of the people who I know who hav'em, none can hit squat with them. Dislike them myself. Reality now is that you go out armed as heavy as you can handle, security consciousness is a must. ------------------------------ From: BillyJa695@aol.com Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 22:07:06 EDT Subject: eskrima: The Motts In a message dated 7/17/01 9:27:17 PM, Mr. Westbrook wrote the following: >Actually after all that I had read and more importantly, >Not Read, I wouldn't consider training with the "motts"! >But that is another matter, for another post... maybe, >maybe not. Do you want to explain why you wouldn't consider training with the MOTTS ? For what it's worth, I have seen them in action. I particularly think that Chuck Gauss, Ken Smith, and Dr. Randi Schea are impressive martial artists and excellent teachers as well. I think that it's a shame that there has been a distinct lack of disrespect toward the MOTTs. I say this having had 18 years training in the martial arts and having seen many martial artists over the years. Brian Johns Columbus, Ohio ------------------------------ From: "jose saguisabal" Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 20:09:36 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Me too... Since we started the "Datu" thing back up... I think the reason many Filipinos take offense to the title of "Datu" being used by martial artists (including GM Remy Presas, who does not use the title himself--wonder why?) is that it may appear that those who use it do so to lead misinformed people that it is an authentic FMA title. Add the fact that one influential Filipino Master who claims to have "revolutionized" the art (by promoting new "experts" by the dozens, and simplifying the requirements for advanced levels), who could blame Filipinos for jumping anytime some aspect of our culture is misrepresented? My instructor has very strong feelings about meeting someone who has the same amount of time as his younger siblings (who are still teenagers), yet claim titles and ranks way above his own, simple title ("Kuya", or "older brother")--and he's got 21 years! I met a visiting instructor to my area last Christmas who was reluctant to tell me much about his own training, until I informed him that my limited training did not involve videos or seminars, or well known instructors for that matter. His gripe was the same: Filipinos who teach anyone and pass on rank quickly for few requirements; and students who don't want to invest time and work for their information and rank. When we have Masters who studied 5-10 years before even being recognized as simply "teacher", the "Datu" thing is just a reminder that there are those who can achieve similar status without investing the same amount of pain and dedication. Jay Get 250 color business cards for FREE! http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ ------------------------------ From: Brandon Tapps Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 21:10:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: More datu replys Paul O'Grady Wrote: >Mr. Westbrook, my father has been disgruntled since >the catholic church stopped saying mass in Latin. How >do you think he would feel about the "Archbishop" >thing. Is that a joke or an insult ? Ernest replied: Damned if I would know, Mr. O'Grady. I have never spoken to your father. And I can assure you that the title is no more a joke than other title bestowed by MA masters and grand masters, including M.Sc. and Ph.D. ArchBishop EBrook 2nd Chief Teacher - Surge Eskrima USA THE Wicked Warlock of the West Dear Mr. Westbrook, You claim that your disagreements with Mr. Hartman are along the line of cultural sensitivity. I am merely pointing out that you are engaging in your own brand of insensitivity. Personally, I take it as a joke. My father and many others I know would not. Please try to be consistent. I will take your advice and stop reading your posts. This is also the last post I will make on the matter. Paul O'Grady __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: "jon broster" Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 02:23:07 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Kidnaps Hi I spent a few days in the Phillipines at Easter, with my wife and her best friend who lives in Manila. My wife later told me that she was so frightened before we wentthat she was basically convinced that she would be lucky to come back alive. We spent a great week in Palawan and Manila, and we both got home alive. A few observations: It is quite shocking to see that a boat load of armed terrorists arrived at the very beach you had been sitting on 2 weeks before and took a number of Western hostages. We always hear how the Phillipines is a KNIFE culture. Try a GUN culture instead. Coming from England it is quite a surprise to see firearm registration and collection points in airports. (Though it was quite funny that they made me check in a bundle of kamagong sticks as weapons, to be collected at the firearm collection point.) It seems that everyone in uniform has a gun, and not just little ones, think big nickle plated pump action shotguns. But we had a great trip and are looking forward to going back. Jon http://www.geocities.com/jonbroster ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 8:18:44 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #323 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.