From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #331 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Mon, 23 July 2001 Vol 08 : Num 331 In this issue: eskrima: Cootie Cure eskrima: Re: acrives on moros and their datu's eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #330 eskrima: Re: Buntot Page/Yantok and the 2001 Wisconsin Gathering of Masters eskrima: virus via the list eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marc Denny" Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 07:51:18 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Cootie Cure Greetings Rick L, Ray and everyone: I caught the virus because I opened a file attached to an e-mail from a name I knew with a subject heading that it would have made sense that this person would send to me. Can Norton protect against even this? Anyway, as Ray says, reading this list is a safe thing to do. It is because this virus was replicating using my e-mail address and sending to names in my address book WITHOUT LEAVING ANY INDICATION IN MY E-MAIL SENT FILE that I felt I needed to post about it here. For those of you who have been zapped, the following may be of interest. Sorry for the distraction from the FMA. Crafty Sandy, I fixed Marc's without "the fix" everyone is talking about. First I ran = my Norton virus scan. It quarantined 6 files, of which 2 were major = Windows files. Once I had them quarantined I deleted them. When I = rebooted his system it kept crashing (missing files I deleted). Then I rebooted the system with the Windows 98 emergency boot disk (3 = 1/2 floppy). Once at the A: prompt I dropped in my Windows 98 Second = Edition CD and ran "tools\sysrec\pcrestor.bat". I "think" this is a = Windows 98 2nd edition program. With the second edition pcrestor.bat, = it re-installs Windows 98 WITHOUT wiping your hard drive. I CAN NOT = speak for the earlier version of Window 98 though. Once the re-install process starts make sure to pop out the 3 1/2" = floppy emergency disk. The pcrestor program reboots the system a few = times during the install process...if the 3/12" floppy is not removed = then it'll interrupt the re-install process. Once Windows 98 was reinstalled I ran the virus scan AGAIN. It picked = up two more files and quarantined them. Luckily they weren't Windows 98 = program files. All in all, Marc lost 6 files. All else on his hard drive was saved. Hope this helps. Cindy Denny ------------------------------ From: "johnaleen" Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 14:33:38 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re: acrives on moros and their datu's Digging though my archives again.. *************** The Moros were prepared to fight these new invaders as they had first fought the Spaniards nearly 400 years before. As General Pershing wrote in 1913, while still a captain in the Philippines: The Moro is not at all over-awed or impressed by an overwhelming force. If he takes a notion to fight, it is regardless of the number of men he thinks are to be brought against him. You cannot bluff him The Spaniards had learned this the hard way. It was, in fact, the early Spaniards who gave them the name Moro, for "Moor" because of their intense Islamic faith. But culturally the Moros were Malays. Mixed with the blood of negro slaves, Filipino tribal hillmen, Chinese, and Dyak pirates the result was a unique and ferociously independent people. The Moro's only real allegiance, besides his religion, was to his "datu" or chieftain. These "datus" ruled as feudal pirate princelings from numerous fortified "cottas" (i.e., villages) scattered throughout their island domains. The "datus" in turn recognized a general advisory authority in the Sultan of Sulu As befits the lair of a robber baron, the "cottas" were heavily fortified, sometimes built of stone, and bristling with old Spanish cannon and brass wall-guns known as "lantakas." A typical "cotta" would be nearly inaccessible wooden pallisaded village with open-walled thatched huts and perhaps a central one story loop-holed stone "keep." One of the huts was invariably used as a mosque. Earthworks frequently surrounded the village. From these jungle and hill-country stronghold a "datu" would lead his warriors forth in raids upon his neighbors (who were in turn raiding him), or on any unwary travelers or foolish foreign interlopers. Warfare was a fact of everyday life for the Moro. He was proud, vain, and fearless. And war was more than just a mere pastime. It often had religious overtones. The Moros believed that one who takes the life of an infidel increases his own rewards in paradise. The more infidels killed the greater the rewards in paradise. One fortunate enough to be killed while slaughtering the enemies of the faithful was guaranteed immediate transportation to the Seventh Heaven. From time to time a Moro desiring a short road to glory would bathe in a sacred stream or spring, shave off his eyebrows, and after dressing all in white would take a holy oath before the village priest to die killing infidels Refrance: from " LIGHTNING FROM THE CLOUDS: THE U.S. ARMY AND THE MORO WARS By Dirk deRoos ************************ Ok Two Questions " 1) Did the DATU's shave their eyebrows as well? 2) In addition, is it still being practiced with the DATU's of today? Ms. J.......: ) ------------------------------ From: "Jeff Allen" Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 04:38:35 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #330 From: GatPuno@aol.com > Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 21:42:28 EDT > Subject: eskrima: Panyo, Head Ban, Lubid, Sinturon, Sarong, Tuwalya.etc. > > Dear Member, > > Panyo and similar material, is a effective weapon part of Arnis, Eskrima and > Estokada. This weapon is very effective Self 'defense weapon against any type > of weapon. The Garimot System is been teaching and demonstrated this > techniques in public, From Philippines, South America, and US. On 1998 Laguna > Arnis Tiournaments, I demonstrated the Bandana similar to Panyo against a > stick attacker. I also demonstrated this to the Florida Martial Art Hall of > Fame.. On my Summer Retreat I taught them how to used the Lubid, also in > Chicago and Wisconsin Seminar I also taught them Lubid. This is just few of > the weapon that the FMA is alway has. > > Panyo is effective weapon to trap, dis-arm, takedown and locks, Lubid has the > same effective plus you can used the Lubid for striking. Tatang Ilustrisimo I > saw a video of him using Panyo, also Froffessor Vee using belt. Anyway I just > want to share a little to this thread.. Great weapon, we should not take > closer look at it. Thanks, > ------------------------------ From: "Jason" Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 14:59:10 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: Buntot Page/Yantok and the 2001 Wisconsin Gathering of Masters Hello all, Yantok, as my father taught me was a reed, I believe Guro Alvendia was the one who taught him the Ilocano name for it. I typically use a nice piece of bamboo or very thin rattan, as most "whip-stick" type items are not good to train with. That is if you are keeping in mind the end of the weapon is poisoned. I did a little whip with my dad but not much, for the most part we did whip by itself and it was mostly an excercise in target practice. Making sure you could crack the whip on your target or just before it, and practicing grabbing weapons, limbs, or necks with the whip. You can apply the Inayan Yantok and other Inayan theory and concept to the Latigo or any form of personal combat, it is not so much what is in your hands as much as it is what you want to do. He and I preferred the yantok for the most part. What Manong De Leon said was correct, hence my father and I favoring the Whip stick. As for the ilocano, it is a translation of an english quote my dad used to put at the ends of his videos. I promised allot of things to him, this is one of them :) It generally means if you have no honor you have no (his) art, your just a brawler. "Without HONOR there is no Art, only pretenders in a brawl" dad 1944-2000 Just wanted to give a report on the Gathering of the Masters held in Wisconsin, hosted by Kevin Schoenebeck. This is a 7 year traditional meeting of Inayan students and instructors as well as those that sponsor and support "Suro Mike Inay's Inayan". Shihan Russ Rhodes Professor James Muro Maha Guro Nate Defensor Were the featured instructors for this year. They showed a great martial spirit, and honoring of tradition, all the things my father loved most. Prof. Muro showed an integration of Kenpo and Danzan Ryu Ju Jitsu the first day, what he calls "island blend". People got a kick out of his stories, and had a great time watching him blend his Goshin Jitsu (Under John Chow-Hoon) with every other art he has learned, including Lua ( a rare Hawaiian art). The second day, at my request, he showed some Sikaran and Dequerdas Escrima, from "Jeronimo" and GM Tenio respectively. Needless to say, for those who know him, he had us having fun and learning at the same time. I think the way Maha Guro Nate put it was best, " I see him and I am humbled". Shihan Rhodes showed some great blends of Inayan Kadena De Mano and his Ken Ju Ryu Kenp Ju Jitsu. He impressed the participants with his dynamic use of Danzan Ryu, Inayan, and Kenpo. We all feel for his Uke, Andy Dunn. :) poor guy. The second day he went over some traditional Danzan Ryu in a way that only Shihan can show it. M.Guro Nate had us doing a little Espada Y Daga, and Doble Baston. In the Defensor method way, we all had fun and learned a few things, all the while laughing. The theme for the weekend was "I KNOW YOUR STYLE"! :-D All in all an excellent camp and great tribute to the spirit of martial arts my father fostered with us. We made new friends, had fun, and ate good! If you want to see Prof. Muro or perhaps Shihan Russ Rhodes in action, go to the Gasshuku 2001 in Campbell Ca. July 28, 29 register now at www.kilohana.org. FYI Kilohana is a not-for-profit martial arts association Mangisursuro Mike Inay was involved with, he held a board director position. We in Kilohana as well as ITO/ISE support the best spirit of sharing and family in martial arts, endeavoring to follow the traditions of our teachers. A special Congrats goes to Jeremy Pieper, Luke LeFevre, Bill Soto, and Andy Dunn. They tested full contact fighting with minimal padding (head and hand only) and rattan for instructorship in Inayan Siniwali and Inayan Dequerdas (prerequisite to conferrence of instructorship in anything Inayan since 1975). They exhibited a great spirit and courage, and did my father proud. Makaammo idtan! Suro Jason Inay All things Inayan www.inayan.com p.s. Mangisursuro = the one who is teaching suro = to teach just a little language lesson for ya :) P.P.S. If Guro Crafty hits anything like my sister, I have one thing to say "Stay away from me!" :) > From: ken jo > Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 11:32:01 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #322 > > Re: Buntot Page/Yantok > > Jason: > > Thank you very much for the information regarding the > Yantok (Manta Tail) y Daga - I guess this is an > evolution of the Espada y Daga technique - would it be > possible then that there is already an existing Latigo > y Daga and/or Lubid y Daga? > > I would also like to respectfully request for a > translation of this phrase: > > "No awan iti DAYAW ti Arte, ngem adda laeng iti > pretentado ti labanan wenno bakbakan." > > (As an aside, it is to my understanding that the > Tagalogs refer to 'yantok' as a piece of wood?) > > Thank you. > From: "Jay de Leon" Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 00:45:57 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Yantok y daga and Suro Mike Inay Ken jo wrote to Jason Inay: "...would it be possible then that there is already an existing Latigo Y Daga..." I believe that the yantok y daga demo that Jason Inay talked about was during last year's gasshuku (training camp) in San Jose, in which the Inays (including Jenna) are a regular fixture. I was there, it was an awesome demonstration by father and son, and I chatted with Suro Mike after the class. Unfortunately, that was the last time I saw Suro Mike in action and the last time I spoke with him. I asked him what was the difference between what he just did and latigo y daga. He said that the retraction time for his yantok with a whip was much shorter and therefore you could deliver the yantok strikes much faster than a usual latigo. By the way, many FMA styles have latigo y daga systems, and the latigo can be anything from a calesa (the Philippines's horse drawn carriage) whip to a commercial whip similar to a Western bullwhip to a custom whip, and can be of varying length and material. For example, GM Mat Marinas uses a calesa whip with an attachment at the end called a "popper," like a mini-firecracker that explodes when you crack the whip. Another prominent system currently teaching latigo y daga techniques as part of their curriculum and with their own custom whips is the Sayoc system. I guess the other advantage to Suro Mike's weapon is that the yantok with a whip is still a baston (cane or stick) and can obviously be used as such, much like in regular espada y daga. I defer to my good friend Suro Jason to answer whether the Inayan system has a latigo y daga system in addition to the yantok y daga. Jay de Leon ------------------------------ From: rudolf@kimbel.net Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 01:22:28 +0200 Subject: eskrima: virus via the list Ray Terry : >Hopefully these aren't famous last words, but as long as this list runs on >a Unix system and Majordomo list admin software you should never have to >worry about receiving a virus via this list. > >Now you may get one via direct mail from someone else subscribed to this >list, i.e. they send mail to you directly, but it won't arrive via an issue >of the digest. Right he is, our master Ray, and yes, those of us who tackle their email with 'primitive tools' such as Pegasus Mail or all those unix/linux tools also need not worry, for the subjects of his highness Bill Gates are those to fear the ever data hungry virus :) Rudolf. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 18:33:56 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #331 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.