From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #339 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Sun, 29 July 2001 Vol 08 : Num 339 In this issue: eskrima: Kuntaw bashing eskrima: Reverve Grip Tactics w/a Kubotan eskrima: Kuntaw meaning and history?? eskrima: Re:Looking for Denver contacts eskrima: Malay eskrima: Re: Allentown PA instructors eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1400 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian "\"BUZZ\"" Smith Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 21:31:40 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Kuntaw bashing Ok, Ok, tired of getting bashed here. I established the Maharlika Kuntaw Club at Northwestern Michigan College in 1982, at that time , the elders/ powers that be did not take too kindly to the idea of teaching stick fighting to the young innocent students at the college. I had to show them ( through several articles in various magazines ) that the arts were cultural and used to defend against the conquering Spanish. I don't think they would have let my art in to the college if I told them it was a very destructive art designed to maim and kill people efficiently and effectively. I did not post the excerpt from the college web page, somebody else did. All that I have done in the art is try to promote the FMA at tournaments, seminars, and in demonstrations. As far as the contradictory terms or base arts confusion, sorry- that's what I was taught. I wasn't there in the beginning, just a lowly student trying to pick up what I could with my limited Tagalog. I was "TOLD" that one of the original names for the Philippine Archipelago was the "Maharlikas" and that it denoted original, or royal, having honor. If that is wrong , the man who taught me that is a Liar. That just happens to be Grand Master Carlito A. Lanada. Over the past thirty years , the "Ancient" art of Kuntaw ( as I was taught) has gone thru some radical changes in regards to rankings, titles, forms, and techniques. I was stationed in the PI from 1970 to 1973 where I trained in Kuntaw. My charge from the Grand Master was to propagate, promote, create interest in the art of Kuntaw and other Filipino Martial arts. I think that I have done that. I don't claim to be a master, I don't claim to have all the answers, and I don't claim to be a Filipino historian. Just an avid student and mentor of the Filipino Martial arts. Seems like whenever I open my mouth I get corrected. When I made up the class description a Filipino secretary said I was wrong to use Filipino because Pilipino was the proper way. But on my certificte it says Filipino art. Go figure. Everybody else must be the definitive expert on my art. Hmm, go figure. The history of Kuntaw has changed many times since I started, the one posted on the college web page is the one that made the most sense to me and followed closely to the experts at the time- Guro Dan Inosanto, Remy Presas, and Leo Gaje. Oh well, apparently they don't know what they are talking about either. IMO- Guro Brian "Buzz" Smith Fifth Degree Black Belt Maharlika Kuntaw Head Instructor Filipino Martial Arts Northwestern Michigan College ------------------------------ From: Dobe Snyder Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 20:09:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Reverve Grip Tactics w/a Kubotan Has anyone ever translated techniques from reverse grip knife fighting to a kubotan or other palm stick-like weapon? The techniques I saw for the kubotan appear to be more of a trapping/pain compliance method rather than an actual attacking method. Can anyone comment on using a kubotan-like weapon beyond the basic "trap the wrist" methods commonly associated with this weapon. Thanks. Brian __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 23:36:23 EDT Subject: eskrima: Kuntaw meaning and history?? Hello, I just want to ask what part of the dialect the "Kunsigrado" meaning Sacred I am very familiar with Bicol and Tagalog dialect and I never heard of it. So I am just curious.. Also I study for three months in Barrio Inarado, Daraga Albay in Bicol, off-course still part of Luzon Philippines, to GM Idmero this is on 1980, the man is a 70 years old at that time, I learn three form, he called it "Baile" in Bicol dialect or Sayaw in Tagalog" meaning dances. Kuntaw was explained to me that was adapted from the Chinese fighting arts, he claimed that Bicol is a lot Chinese on the early days and off-course Bicol region is noted as pure Indonesian decent, and you still can see it to thier language and spicy food. That why on Pena francia celebration in Naga, City, Camarines Norte their still do up to now a Dragon Dance on the street, a decorated horses with a chinese man riding on it, and the decorated ship called Pagoda is all adapted from Chinese celebration. Later the Spanish Christian introduced the Virgin Mary, to incorporated to the celebration. I dont know is just seem the Kuntaw History of GM Lanada is not tallied to the facts or even fit to a Bicol history. But does not means its is not good arts, I respect the man highly.. I think its is highly effective fighting arts, with Filipino pride, Thanks, Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research Center USA The original post: << Also just for info Kuntaw is Kun [Kunsigrado] taw [Hataw] Sacred Strike. >> When the Maharlika was used then it was thought of as Buss Smith has said >>for the meaning. ------------------------------ From: "Steve and Roberta" Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 00:07:16 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re:Looking for Denver contacts From: Kristine Strasburger Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 21:03:07 -0700 (PDT) K Strasburger wrote: Subject: eskrima: Looking for Denver contacts Greetings to the list members. I am looking for eskrima contacts to work out with in the Denver area (schools or individuals). I will be in that area several times in the next year. I'll be there this coming Tuesday and Wednesday for starters, so a quick reply would be greatly appreciated. Go ahead and e-mail me privately, but please put something in the subject line to alert me that it is related to this topic, otherwise I might delete you. I am a bit virus-shy when it comes to opening unrecognized senders. Thanks in advance. Mabuhay ang eskrima! K. Strasburger Reply: Steve Wolk teaches as several locations in the Denver area. He is a 5th degree Doce Pares blackbelt and runs the PIMA Denver. See his website at Guro Steve Wolk Denver/ Boulder, CO (303) 439-7471 http://members.nbci.com/eskrima/ Steve Van Harn Arnis Sikaran - Jornales System ------------------------------ From: kalkiusa@netscape.net Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 21:57:05 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Malay > nice try. But it seems like a Eurocentric attempt to make > the Negro African (is that pc?) look like he was capable > of no more than to be "brought" somewhere, like baggage. > The Africans were in the Philippines long before the Portuguese, > who actually lay claim to "discovering" the Philippines. As a > matter of fact, Abu Bakr, the missionary credited with forming > the first Islamic ummah (community) in the Philippines was from > the region known as Nigeria. It's a fact, and any educated > Muslim would know that. Well said Jay. In an increasingly "global" world, it's time, I think, for people to loosen the Eurocentric view that can sometimes poison the view from the vantage point of -humanity-, where they've all been, what they've all done, and where they're going. > And about Africans "moving" to Samoa and Fiji: It was the result of > African seafarers, who traded and sailed the seas long before the > Slave trade. Yeah! A Samoan professor (whut a PRETTY she wuz) once told me about the history of people "moving on" to further flung islands, taking just what they could rig to their boats. She had no problem with drawing connections back to Negro Africans and any others who may have combined their genes into the peoples of the South Pacific, Southeast Asia, etc. The Negros were the aborigines, including China. > Which could explain why the Chinese have the mythical "Lion", > which is not found in China, Nor is there a Snow Lion in Tibet, eh? Truth stranger than fiction, but hey, not so strange if we just accept what may (to some) be obvious. > nor are giraffes, which were presented to an early Chinese > emperor by an East African king. Yeah again! Malay = All Races. Mitakuye Oyasin. __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. 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He comes with no other martial arts background and has picked up the basic movements to FMA easily and without pre-movements or judgments from other arts backgrounds.... His personal interest and goals are for both the core of the art as well as the street defense applications found in it, and he is very eager to learn.........:) Please e-mail me or Phone me at my organizations toll free number listed below, if you know of a school-Have a School or are interested in a training partner in his area... Thank you.............:) Ms. J bows deeply... Ms. Johnaleen Castro CEO/F.A.T.E. 1-888-526-4626 FATE@f-a-t-e.org www.f-a-t-e.org ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 11:41:13 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #339 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.