From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #341 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Mon, 30 July 2001 Vol 08 : Num 341 In this issue: eskrima: Alfredo Bandalan and Sacramento Instructor eskrima: Malay eskrima: Re: Kuntaw Bashing eskrima: re: Reverse Grip Tactics w/a Kubotan eskrima: Dog Brother Camp eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1400 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SNAPIAL@aol.com Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 13:14:13 EDT Subject: eskrima: Alfredo Bandalan and Sacramento Instructor Greetings, To answer questions about Alfredo Bandalan Sr. Master Alfredo Bandalan Sr. is very much active in the San Jose area. He has now opened a school in Morgan Hill and can be contacted at email: bandalanescrima@yahoo.com. The headquarters was moved to San Ramon because of his effort to relocate his home back to the San Jose area from Los Banos. He is currently the Western Region Director of WEKAF and if you would like to see our site: http://www.bandalan.com , you will see the latest schedules for WEKAF activities in the area. FYI, WEKAF Western Region Championships and Qualifiers for the National Team to represent the US at the Worlds in England are coming up soon. He follows the banner of Doce Pares International, under G/M Diony Canete, and teaches the curriculum given to us by G/M Diony. He still honors G/M Cacoy by also teaching his style as part of the Bandalan School. He has affiliated schools also in Southern Calif. and Chicago. There are also plans to have an affiliation in Hawaii soon. To answer the question by Ms. Castro, on Sacramento Instructors. There is Master Nito Noval of Doce Pares International Sacramento Branch. He basically was raised by the Canete's and has trained directly from all the Doce Pares Masters in Cebu. He is also several times World Champion in WEKAF Competitions. He can be reached at email: rachnoval@yahoo.com. Best Regards, Sonny Napial Chief Instructor / Bandalan Doce Pares San Ramon, Calif. ------------------------------ From: kalkiusa@netscape.net Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 13:17:00 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Malay Way to go Animal Mac ... what I encourage is a "decentralized" view :-) Your comments are excellent IMHO ... emphasizes the fact that "everybody" has made contributions to civilization. Notes on who went where when don't address "advanced civilization", but then what's the reference point for advanced, i.e., from whose vantage point? Ancient humans or modern humans? Problem is that some people discredit the accomplishments and/or contributions made by others, including the fact that so-called advanced civilization could not have been achieved without those others, i.e., we got here by standing on someone else's shoulders (lives, skills and efforts), sometimes via cooperation, sometimes via force and/or "trickery". On contributions ... how many people know who contributed blood banks and transfusions? Who gets celebrated and whose contributions just get, well, taken/used/etc.? Animal, I agree with you 100% that we don't need the reactionary ethno-centricism that sometimes gets held up to counter the effects of other ethnocentrism. I see it as immature tribal B.S. Maturity can be difficult to come by sometimes, eh?:-) The outcomes of valid reasoning are worth the effort. Just like in evaluating combatives. As the great wise man Stevie Wonder (OK, so I'm bein' uh, facetious?) once sang: "Everybody's world". 'Ey, you know the tune y'all, "The use of martial arts, in our country got its start ... by a Yellow Man." bop-bah-bahdup ... be-do-be-do-be-do ... bop-bah-bahdup ... Mitakuye Oyasin. Be well, Mik 'Ey, America is supposed to have an advanced system of governmanet ... most often pointing back to Greco-Roman and European governmaent and law ... how often acknowledging the concepts, etc. borrowed from the Great Iroquois Confederacy? Just an example. __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ From: "Ernest Westbrook" Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 19:04:36 +0000 Subject: eskrima: Re: Kuntaw Bashing >From: Brian "\"BUZZ\"" Smith >Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 21:31:40 -0400 >Subject: eskrima: Kuntaw bashing > >Ok, Ok, tired of getting bashed here. >I established the Maharlika Kuntaw Club at Northwestern Michigan >College in 1982, at that time , the elders/ powers that be did not >take >too kindly to the idea of teaching stick fighting to the young >innocent >students at the college. I had to show them ( through >several articles in >various magazines ) that the arts were cultural >and used to defend against >the conquering Spanish. I don't think >they would have let my art in to the >college if I told them it was a very destructive art designed to maim and >kill people efficiently >and effectively. Why would you expect any other response from the administration. You were introducing a very different cultural concept into the college and there was the very real potential for people to be hurt with a college approved program. > >I did not post the excerpt from the college web page, somebody else >did. All that I have done in the art is try to promote the FMA at >tournaments, seminars, and in demonstrations. As far as the >contradictory terms or base arts confusion, sorry- that's what I was >taught. I wasn't there in the beginning, just a lowly student trying >to >pick up what I could with my limited Tagalog. Ok, no problem for me. >I was "TOLD" that one of the original names for the Philippine >Archipelago was the "Maharlikas" and that it denoted original, or >royal, having honor. As a college trained person, in an American University, it would seem to me that you would have check out the information with another source or two before accepting the statement and reproducing it as fact. That happens all too often within the MAs in this country... if my teacher said it, it must be the truth! >If that is wrong , the man who taught me that is a Liar. That just >happens to be Grand Master Carlito A. Lanada. It is not necessarily that he is a liar... he may have been told the same thing and he Never Bothered to independently verify the satement, thus he passed on bogus information. The real beauty of the scientific method is that it relizes on verification to establish validity. Students need to learn how use their knowledge base and explore options. The old method of blindly accepting an instructor's word as undenyable fact is over, becaause of this new system of information exchange and cross referencing. >Over the past thirty years , the "Ancient" art of Kuntaw ( as I was >taught) has gone thru some radical changes in regards to rankings, >titles, forms, and techniques. I was stationed in the PI from 1970 to >1973 where I trained in Kuntaw. What do you mean by "Ancient"? >My charge from the Grand Master was to propagate, promote, create >interest in the art of Kuntaw and other Filipino Martial arts. I >think >that I have done that. I don't claim to be a master, I don't >claim to have >all the answers, and I don't claim to be a Filipino >historian. Just an >avid student and mentor of the Filipino Martial >arts. That is a reasonable position to take. >Seems like whenever I open my mouth I get corrected. When I made up >the >class description a Filipino secretary said I was wrong to use >Filipino >because Pilipino was the proper way. But on my certificte it says Filipino >art. Go figure. Everybody else must be the >definitive expert on my art. >Hmm, go figure. Corrections can be a good thing, some times. The thing that needs to be understood is the spirit and intent behind the correction. As for the spelling, that is really going to depend on the language base and dialect that a person has used as a basis for the correction. As I have come to understand it, both spellings are correct, howwwever there is a preference for eacxh that is dependent upon the region that a person is in or comes from with PI. >The history of Kuntaw has changed many times since I started, the one >posted on the college web page is the one that made the most sense to >me >and followed closely to the experts at the time- Guro Dan >Inosanto, Remy >Presas, and Leo Gaje. Oh well, apparently they don't >know what they are >talking about either. Stop being so defensive. This is a very wide area of dicussion. Given that even the spelling of Kuntaw/Kuntao is a matter of discussion and dissenting opinions. Then you have the linear vs. circular motion aspects that are open for discussion. You have made some statement, explained your rational and noow it istime to make the necessary adjustments as youu deem approppriate, based on the new information that you have recently found. ArchBishop EBrook 2nd Chief Teacher - Surge Eskrima USA THE Wicked Warlock of the West _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: Edwin Tam Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 15:00:52 -0700 Subject: eskrima: re: Reverse Grip Tactics w/a Kubotan Yes, I once attended a mini-seminar on kubotan from a member of the Inosanto camp (name escapes me for the moment) that looked very much like reverse grip knife techniques. The one difference was that there was more of an emphasis on "stabbing"/gunting the bicep with the kubotan, which understandably is less of a target with a blade in your hand. ------------------------------ From: "Philip Gelinas" Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 20:34:40 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Dog Brother Camp Just got home from the dog brother camp hosted by Marc Denny. It was = great! It was held at the RAW academy of Ricco Chiapparelli. = instructors kept every one busy from 10:00 am to 7:00 pm on Friday and = Saturday and untill 5:30 on Sunday. They were, Marc Denny of course, Dr. = Maung Gi, Ricco Chiapparelli, Chris Sayoc, Arlan Sanford Ramiro = Estalilla, and Roger Machado. (I purposely left out the ranks of the = instructors because they don't need the rank to be good). Sunday also = had a mini gathering of the pack. That was fun too. Thanks to all who = attended, it made my voyage all the more worth while. Philip Sled Dog Gelinas ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 18:54:08 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #341 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.