From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #347 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 3 Aug 2001 Vol 08 : Num 347 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Kuntaw/Kuntao Bashing eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #346 eskrima: Seminar Announcement eskrima: seminar eskrima: Re: Dr. Gyi (Nepalese?) eskrima: Dr. Gyi ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1200 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ernest Westbrook" Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 17:57:00 +0000 Subject: eskrima: Re: Kuntaw/Kuntao Bashing >From: "Anderson" >Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 18:54:07 +1000 >Subject: eskrima: re: Kuntaw/Kuntao Bashing > >In defense of what has been posted concerning Buzz's history of Lanada >Kuntaw.. I come from the same lineage of Lanada Kuntaw, although I was >trained in the Pampanga region by Master Conrado Turla (Kyud Lito's >representative for central Luzon) back in the 70's.. I was told the same >thing and it was written in several of the martial arts magazines from the >late 70's early 80's by senior practitioners of the system who were >training with Kyud Lito in Olangapo at the time. > >When I have the ability to do so, I go to the source of the art, (GM and >senior students) I was able to confirm the same thing as what Buzz has been >taking heat on recent digests.. I also have talked to several instructors >from other systems who know Kyud Lanada and the time prior to Martial >Law... > >I will climb off of my soapbox now and let this conversation die a natural >death as I feel that it has gone on too long and it is time to move on to >another topic. > >Just my .02 pesos > >Bill >Maharlika Kuntao >Guam > richparsonsjr@yahoo.com, wrote: >I would like to reply to a comment about information >and its' availability. > > > > From: "Ernest Westbrook" > > Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 19:04:36 +0000 > > Subject: eskrima: Re: Kuntaw Bashing > > > > >From: Brian "\"BUZZ\"" Smith > > >Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 21:31:40 -0400 > > >Subject: eskrima: Kuntaw bashing > > > > >. . . > > >I was "TOLD" that one of the original names for the > >Philippine Archipelago was the "Maharlikas" and that >it denoted >original, or royal, having honor. > >As a college trained person, in an American >University, it would seem >to me >that you would have check out the information with >another >source or two before accepting the statement and >reproducing it as >fact. That happens all too often within the FMAs in >this country... >if my teacher said it, it must be the truth! > Your reply was as follows: >I was required to do a paper for a belt testing in >FMA. >I went to the local libraries. I went to the U of M >Ann Arbor, Flint and Dearborn Libraries, I went to >the Mich State U Libraries. What did I find? Nothing >on FMA martial arts. If they were in the card catalog >the books were missing. How did I find out as much >information as I did. I searched for Dance and other >arts for the Philippines. Even within these books >there was contradictory information. Yet all >published. >Even recent books acclaimed on this list have >incorrect >information. To whom do you turn to, to believe about >the history of a FMA. The logical solution would be >to someone in the art, hopefully someone you trusted. >Hopefully, someone who trained you. Some one who has >lived or been taught the history himself. > > Just some thoughts from another University trained >individual who has never had the privilege to be in >the Philippines, and has had to read books and talk to >people. > > Thank you for your time. Rich, you have mixed apples and pineapples! You were researching the martial arts - FMAs - a very broad and diverse subject and onlt recently of any significant interest, hence difficulty in locating some source material good or bad was to be expected. The clear subjeect of Buzz's post was the meaning of the word "Mahalikas". That is a very narrow subject and it should be relatively simple to find out if the meaning that he was given could be verified by data from other sources. Failure to read, understand and think is a persistant problem in many areas of life not just discussions on this digest. Arch Bishop EBrook 2nd Chief Teacher - Surge Eskrima USA THE Wicked Warlock of the West _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: "Ernest Westbrook" Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 18:12:25 +0000 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #346 shugendo@hotmail.com, wrote: >Crafty & Jim - > >A couple points and then I hope to leave this until more information >can >be presented: > >1) Back-channel communication at this point has no been anonymous on >my >part. Have made inquiries via email, voice and in person of people >who >either were or are currently involved in the SF community the Dr. >Gyi was >supposedly do active in. Item #2 deleted: >3) My change of stance is based upon my personal interaction and > >discussion of Dr. Gyi with a number of people. Up until that point I was >a staunch supporter and I felt that some of his old students >were just >experiencing 'sour grapes'. > >4) This is not a witch-hunt by any means. A lot of man-hours have >gone >into researching Dr. Gyi. Would the information collected hold >up in a >courtroom? Hmmm.... Mike you are not a lawyer, are you? If not don't go there! >Definitely not. But the information presented has been influential >and >convincing enough to have investigations initiated. An example or two would be nice to have included in your post. >5)Is this a terrible tragedy for the MA world? Not really. But it is a >kick in the nuts to all of the combat decorated vets who earned >that >distinction through sacrifice and pain. I fully agree. >6)Am I saying that the information that Dr. Gyi presents at his >seminars >is invalid. Nope. But I'm saying that the source/history of >some of the >information is severely in question. > >I will continue to keep abreast of this situation and will be more >than >happy to pass any pertinent information on to ED members. > >Michael A. Krivka @ Martial Arts Koncepts But you do understand that some people are going to continue to support Dr. Gyi, in spite of the questions raised and the documentaion presented that questions his credibility? I feel that you did the right thing, you went out and researched the matter and arrived at your own conclusion. It is sad when situations such as this arise, but it is also a part of life that a persausiive personality will often be able to hold sway over the blander facts of truth! There are people who like the man and the art, they do not want to hear about or consider anything else. I can recall havinng a couple of Digest members in disagreement with me when I voiced an opinion similar to your on this matter. Oh well... go forward Mike and be happy. The conclusion that you have reached is right for you, others have a different point of view and it works for them. ArchBishop EBrook 2nd Chief Teacher - Surge Eskrima USA THE Wicked Warlock of the West _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: Mike Casto Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 13:49:26 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Seminar Announcement Asian Fighting Arts in Dayton, Ohio will be hosting a workshop with Dr. Andre' KnutsGraichen of Pentjak Silat USA. If you've not had the opportunity to meet or train with this man, here's an excellent opportunity. He was a long time student of Pak Rudy Ter Linden and is an excellent martial artist and instructor. The workshop will be held on October 20th, 2001 at Asian Fighting Arts in Dayton, Ohio. Visit http://www.asianfightingarts.com/dr_andre for details. To find out more about our school, Asian Fighting Arts, visit http://www.asianfightingarts.com Thank you for your time. Mike Casto ------------------------------ From: mccfamily@plexis.net (Dan McConnell) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 16:54:45 -0400 Subject: eskrima: seminar Hi Everyone, Modern Arnis of Ohio will host a modern arnis seminar on 8-18-01. The address is 3840 Lacon rd., unit 6, Hilliard, Ohio. That's a suburb of Columbus. The time is 10a.m. - 4p.m.. The seminar will be taught by Guro Dan McConnell and Master of tapi tapi Ken Smith. Many aspects of modern arnis will be covered. Many questions can be answered! The cost is $50. in advance and $60. at the door. For further info. or a flyer please e-mail me. Thanks. best regards, Guro Dan McConnell Modern Arnis of Ohio ------------------------------ From: "Anthony James Hawkins" Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 22:25:08 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re: Dr. Gyi (Nepalese?) I really have no axe to grind here, ive never worked with Dr. Gyi, but I have heard he is an excellent martial artist. The basic point I cant figure out about his Gurkha claims is that Gurkhas are recruited from the hill tribesmen in the Himalayan kingdom of Nepal by ex-Gurkhas who get a bounty for each sign up. Accdording to every book ive read on the subject, Gurkhas are exclusively Nepalese. I didnt think Gyi was Nepalese. A.J. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: RBalicki@aol.com Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 22:58:28 EDT Subject: eskrima: Dr. Gyi Hi Mike, If this is that important to you and since you broke bread with the man, why don't you call him and ask him straight forward? You nor anyone else on the ED knows everything about Dr. Gyi. I bet if he knew it was that important to you he would satisfy your curiosity. I believe he is a great man with great respect for the military and I do not believe he is what he says he is and he would not do any vet a dishonor by not being truthful about his past service. There is a certain etiquette that we should have in the MA world and lets apply it to Dr. Gyi and not muddy his name on the web. I know how it feels to have someone go after you on the web and it's not right. I know you Mike, and I know that you are a good man. Please give him a call or write him before going on with this topic in public. Thanks Ron Balicki From: "Mike aka Shugendo" Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 14:42:02 +0000 Subject: eskrima: Re: Dr. Gyi Crafty & Jim - A couple points and then I hope to leave this until more information can be presented: 1) Back-channel communication at this point has no been anonymous on my part. Have made inquiries via email, voice and in person of people who either were or are currently involved in the SF community the Dr. Gyi was supposedly do active in. 2) Injuries that I saw on Dr. Gyi could have been 'battle scars' or the result of an accident. Without seeing service medical records I wouldn't hold them at much value. 3) My change of stance is based upon my personal interaction and discussion of Dr. Gyi with a number of people. Up until that point I was a staunch supporter and I felt that some of his old students were just experiencing 'sour grapes'. 4) This is not a witch-hunt by any means. A lot of man-hours have gone into researching Dr. Gyi. Would the information collected hold up in a courtroom? Definitely not. But the information presented has been influential and convincing enough to have investigations initiated. 5) Is this a terrible tragedy for the MA world? Not really. But it is a kick in the nuts to all of the combat decorated vets who earned that distinction through sacrifice and pain. 6) Am I saying that the information that Dr. Gyi presents at his seminars is invalid. Nope. But I'm saying that the source/history of some of the information is severely in question. I will continue to keep abreast of this situation and will be more than happy to pass any pertinent information on to ED members. Michael A. Krivka @ Martial Arts Koncepts Home Page: http://www.martialartskoncepts.com Email: shugendo@hotmail.com or koncepts@bellatlantic.net Phone: 301/963-6520 ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #347 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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