From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #371 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Wed, 22 Aug 2001 Vol 08 : Num 371 In this issue: eskrima: L-L eskrima: Magellan-Lapu-Lapu battle eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #370 eskrima: Clark Conspiracy Theory and OtherTheories eskrima: Re: Pekiti-Tirsia Camp=Training Fee eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1200 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 19:50:49 PDT Subject: eskrima: L-L Came upon this little diddy on the web. Interesting direct connection to King/Raja/Datu/Cali Lapulapu. :) Ray ------------------------------- DOCE PARES Brief History of Doce Pares Canete Brothers learned Eskrima from their own father Gregario and uncle Pedro Canete. The father and uncle learned their arts from their father Leoncio Canete. Leonicio together with his four brothers, Davio, Gabriel, Antonio and Guillermo acquired their skilled about Eskrima from their father Santiago. It was in the early part of the 18th century. Santiago Canete learned it from Datu Mambutya in the later part of the 17th century. Datu Mambutya acquired his talent from his grandfather Datu Kamatla in the early part of the 16th century. And Datu Kamatla recieved his knowledge of his Eskrima from King Lapulapu of Naotan and King of Humabon of Cebu. King Lapulapu later eventually killed Magellan who sailed from Spain in 1500's with his Spanish troops. The style of of Lapulapu consisted of six slashing techniques and two thrusts. The target areas for the slashing techniques are: 1) to the left temple 2) to the right temple 3) to the left shoulder or left chest 4) to the right shoulder or right chest 5) to the left kidney 6) to the right kidney (While the target areas for the thrust are 1) to the stomach and 2) to the Adam's apple.) While the style of King Humabon consisted of only four slashing techniques and two thrusts. The target areas for the slashing are: 1) to the left temple 2) to the right temple 3) to the left chest 4) to the right chest and 5) to the groin. Datu Kamatla made some modifications of the styles by adding two stroking techniques: 1) to the left kidney and 2) to the right kidney. These modifications were again changed by Santiago Canete by adding to more numbers to the style. They are to the left leg and to the right leg. The Doce Pares meaning simply in translation as twelve pairs. This idea was founded by twelve grandmaster of different styles and the late Grandmaster Eulogio Canete was a president of the club for over fifty years before his death since the club's inception in 1932. The Canete brothers were much involved in developing the Doce Pares Club and it became synonomous with their name Canete/Doce Pares. Cacoy Canete is the current head of the Doce Pares style. ------------------------------ From: abanico-video-knuettel@t-online.de (Dieter =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kn=FCttel?=) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 08:14:08 +0200 Subject: eskrima: Magellan-Lapu-Lapu battle > From: "Jay de Leon" > Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 11:17:20 -0700 > Subject: eskrima: Cali Pulacu, aka Lapu-Lapu > > "Magellan, in typical European arrogance, led his men to the neighboring > island, Mactan..." > > Magellan was accompanied by many of Humabon's warriors, but he ordered them > not to join in the fight, but watch how Europeans fight. More arrogance? > But it should be safe to assume that Magellan was an experienced, if not > battle-hardened, field commander. How could he make such a fatal > miscalculation? Didn´t we have the thread sometimes, that history is written almost always by the winners, possibly also for their advantage? I have found in no FMA book about the battle between Magellan and Lapu-Lapu (not that I could claim that I have read them all), that there were less than 100 spaniards (I have also heared the number of 68. There were 287 spaniards on 5 ships all together. Considering that only one ship sailed to mactan island to fight Lapu-Lapu, these numbers seem senseble) had to fight 1500 flilipinos coming from 3 different sides. And indeed, they won an overwheling victory over these few spaniards in the shallow water. I wonder why this is never mentioned in FAM books ;-) > One historian has suggested that rain had soaked the > Europeans' muskets, rendering them useless. Did this level the playing > field, or tip it in favor of the natives, who were armed with bows and > arrows and lances, in addition to their fearsome blades? I don´t think that even functioning muskets would have made much of a difference against this outnumbering by 1:15. After one shot they woud have to reload. Doing this in the shallow water with arrows and spears coming against them would have given them not much of an advantage. > Pigafetta, the voyager's historian, describes Magellan's warrior death. > Magellan, already seriously wounded by arrows, was set upon in shallow > waters by several natives with lances and swords. Thus, wrote Pigafetta, > did their leader, their "soul and mirror," die. Right, therefore it is very hard to verify, that Lapu-Lapu personally killed Magellan. Maybe yes, maybe no. Who knows. Regards Dieter Knüttel, http://www.modern-arnis.de Quality martial arts instructional videos from: ABANICO Video Productions http://www.abanico.de ------------------------------ From: sdrape@kbs-filipino-martial-systems.org Date: 22 Aug 2001 00:02:06 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #370 .... But, why can't the independent Filipino Army > solve the Muslim kidnapping problem ? ..... Last week, while training with GT Bo Sayoc in Cavite, I was introduced to a retired Philippine Army Colonel. We were discussing the situation in Mindanao and he was quite blunt about it. He told me that he knew the officers in charge when they were junior officers and he knew how corrupt they were even then. He made it very clear that the simple reason why the rebels haven't been dealt with is because the army powers-that-be are making too much profit from them to do so. If the money dries up (which isn't likely, however, because the families continue to pay ransom, even though the gov't. policy is to not pay), there will be no reason to allow things to continue and they would be taken care of. Of course, it's not that simple entirely, but the main reason is not the terrain, or lack of military skill or equipment, or local help, but just the corruption. ------------------------------ From: "Jay de Leon" Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 00:22:25 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Clark Conspiracy Theory and OtherTheories Ken McDonough wrote : "But why can't the independent Filipino Army solve the Muslim kidnapping problem? This is not so good for tourism?" In addition to the rule about not discussing religion, sex and politics, another corollary is Filipino immigrants living in the relatively safe confines and affluent tract houses of suburbia in (fill in the blanks, Cerritos, National City, etc.) should not pontificate on the vagaries of Philippine politics or ills of Philippine society. Having said that, I grant myself dispensation since I have been a Balikbayan (returning resident) many times, and just like Ken, have had beer, ash and lahar (volcanic mud) in Angeles City when I had to travel back and forth between Manila and Pangasinan, where I lived for a couple of years in the early 90's. Ken, the problem is not one of independence, but of leadership. Many pundits have pointed out that the Philippines has never really been independent anyway. It might have gotten political independence from the US, but is still financially dependent on the US. During the fight for independence from the US, the politicians declared they would rather have a government run like hell by Filipinos, than a government run like heaven by the Americans. Like a self-fulfilling prophecy, in the modern era beginning with Marcos, all the presidents have either been despotic, corrupt, inept or at best, undistinguished. The Filipino voter will protest that he did not have much of a choice, only the horns of a dilemma--between a "trapo" or traditional politician (read corrupt or at best useless) versus a movie actor or a radio commentator whose entertainment persona vaguely promised hope or redemption. The rich and the educated are too smart to get suckered into politics; the only exceptions are those born into it, like Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo or Dick Gordon of Olongapo (his father was mayor of Olongapo City assassinated while in office). True, there have been some honest and brilliant politicians along the way like Senators Jovito Salonga, Jose Diokno, Claro M. Recto and others, but not enough. While the current Muslim kidnapping spree is a major problem, affecting not just tourism, but also the investment climate, local business growth and plain citizen safety, local crime is probably just as bad (e.g., kidnapping for ransom of rich Chinese). Just as a quick summary, let us enumerate the seemingly insurmountable, centuries-old problems inherited by Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo--inequitable distribution of wealth, a tradition of graft and corruption in the government, regionalism, poor economic growth and investment climate (sick man of Asia), political instablity in the south, decaying infrastructure, violent politics and crime. For too long now, the Philippines has been in need of leaders and miracles, and yes, Ken, maybe a little more tourism. Jay de Leon ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 03:58:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Pekiti-Tirsia Camp=Training Fee - --0-1338024741-998477911=:7173 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline This was posted on the Eskrima list regarding training fee under Grand Tuhon Leo Gaje, in part: Response: It would be a great honor to learn under Grand Tuhon Leo Gaje. However, is this fee somewhat high ? Just curious from people who have trained in the PI ? Especially since you are training in the Philippines using Pesos. You could eat at Margarita Station down the road for $6.00 a day or less and stay at the best hotel, the Oasis (with a huge grand suite) for not so much. This is not a slam at the wonderful opportunity to learn. But, are you certain that fee is correct and does not include round trip transportation from Manila to Angeles City (in an Air Con Van with cold beer)? If traveling to AC for other reasons, try the Phoenix Hotel (by the way, Owen, the Aussie Manager, was recently stabbed to death in Angeles by robbers), the Orchid Inn, or a few other hotels located close to Clark AB. When off duty from training, stop by Illusions Bar, Private Dancer, and say hello to Rick at Rick's Cafe Bar. He has videos and great beer prices. Say hello to Ms. Beth at the new Cleopatra's (completely renovated). If some local Filipino yells at you from across the street and tells you he knows your cousin, just walk away. Don't get involved in card games with locals. Use Trikes at night instead of Jeepneys. Say hello to Tic for me at the DMZ Bar. He has a meat loaf special on Thursdays. Ex Marine. Nice guy. Have fun. McD... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ - --0-1338024741-998477911=:7173-- ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 6:58:19 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #371 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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