From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #403 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Wed, 12 Sept 2001 Vol 08 : Num 403 In this issue: eskrima: Story to make you smile ... eskrima: In our minds eskrima: The circle of violence eskrima: USMC Hand to Hand Combat training eskrima: Brief Update: Pentagon Re: eskrima: The circle of violence eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1200 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ken Grubb" Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 01:36:47 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Story to make you smile ... forwarded from the Concealed list I've not found confirmation of this. Anyone around West Covina hear about it? Ken Grubb Burlington, NC - -----Original Message----- From: Rick Schwartz Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 21:41 To: Concealed Subject: [concealed] Story to make you smile... WEST COVINA -- A young, would-be carjacker messed with the wrong senior citizen Wednesday. Elio Bongon, 65, rubbed his bloodied hand after fierce combat with a much younger, larger adversary armed with a handgun. It's not what he expected as a reward for being a good Samaritan. Nearby, shirtless and in handcuffs, 19-year-old Anthony Salinas of Azusa winced in pain from the self-inflicted gunshot wound to his arm after his alleged botched carjacking. "I did something good for him," the Bongon said. "I gave him the $10 for the gas." It all started when Salinas and partner Destiny Barraza, 20, of Azusa, showed up at Piano City on Sunset Avenue in West Covina about 1 p.m. The car they were driving was out of gas and Bongon, a janitor at Piano City, offered Salinas a lift to the gas station. Barraza walked off, allegedly to a motel around the corner. When Salinas said he didn't have any money for gas, Bongon took the extra step of giving him $10, then the two drove up Irwindale Avenue to a gas station at San Bernardino Road. But Salinas allegedly wanted more than $10 in gas. Suddenly, he pulled a gun on Bongon and demanded his wallet and his 2000 Nissan Frontier. Bongon would have none of that. Quickly, Bongon pulled the truck over, then deftly put Salinas in a wristlock, twisting his arm away as Salinas fired one shot. The bullet entered Salinas' wrist, traveled up his arm and lodged near his elbow, said Officer Rudy Lopez of the West Covina police. But the struggle wasn't over. Bongon, of Fontana, said he wrested the handgun from Salinas and used it to beat the alleged carjacker over the head as he tried to start the pickup truck. Bongon reportedly leaped from the cab and refused to let Salinas make off with the gleaming, silver pickup. Salinas tried to lock Bongon out of the pickup to ward off the attack, but Bongon said he would not allow it. His fingers cut and bleeding, Bongon persisted in striking Salinas on the back of the head with the butt of the gun while preventing him from locking the doors. When Salinas quit trying to start the truck, the fight continued in the parking lot of Quick 'N' EZ liquor store, a witness said. Salinas eventually fled from the thrashing dished out by the senior citizen. Salinas was picked up on nearby Yaleton Avenue by West Covina police Sgt. David Shively, who spotted him knocking on the door of a random house on Yaleton, acting as though he was about to pay someone a visit. "I was lucky," Shively said. "But we would have found him eventually." Sooner was better than later because it is believed that the car Salinas originally pushed into the Piano City parking lot after it ran out of gas was stolen by him and Barraza in a carjacking on Sept. 2 in Azusa. "They are also looking to see if he is tied to any recent robberies in the West Covina area," Lopez said. Salinas and Barraza are being held on $100,000 bail for the first carjacking, he added. Salinas also was booked by West Covina police on suspicion of robbery and carjacking and faces a $130,000 bail. Pants bloodied and a finger bandaged on his blood-caked hand, the Philippines native spoke mildly in shy, broken English about his ordeal. "I made up my mind to grab his gun," he said. "I gave him blows with the gun." When asked if he knew martial arts, Bongon said, "That was a long time ago. I don't want to talk about it." My Note: Can you imagine the surprise of this young punk... having his butt kicked by a 65 year old man. I always tell people, don't mess with Pinoys, they are a tough people. I bet he was taking on an Arnis master. Blessings... Rick Schwartz ------------------------------ From: Patrick Davies Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 08:38:28 +0100 Subject: eskrima: In our minds I pray for all those in New York and other places who are part of our martial arts community. I hope you are safe. Patrick M Davies Aberdeen Martial Arts Group www.amag.org.uk ------------------------------ From: Patrick Davies Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 09:26:56 +0100 Subject: eskrima: The circle of violence I understand your grief and anger, From: Luis Pellicer III And once the wounded have been tended to and the dead laid to rest, it is time for some serious payback. The hell with being PC. But I ask you for one moment and think whether the people who did this atrocity considered it 'payback'? The circle of violence keeps spinning and the innocents keep paying the price. Why? We - in the UK and in the US - are engulfed by people trying to escape poverty and tyranny from countries that are pawns in the larger global games of corporate greed. The indigenous crops that survived for years in Africa were replaced to provide cheap foods to force feed cattle to make more meat that could not last the droughts leaving for millions to die in famine and disease. The rainforests chopped down to provide that glorious icon of McDs the meal ticket for global expansion. My country is deeply affected by the first results of global warming and will in a 100 years time be partially lost by flooding. Caused by global industrial emissions but no agreement will be accepted thanks to governments financed on the oil companies backs. The finger points at people in Afghanistan that were once welcome pawns in other power games. We - the richer nations - live off the wealth of other people's misery. Our clothes are made in sweat shops in the east where kids are denied education because they need their input into the families income just to survive. Where young children are sold into prostitution. Cheap labour for corporate millionaires. Theres no college eductaion there, no seminars, no fancy uniforms. I live in a country that has seen terrorism for a long time bankrolled by some romantic dream sold by Noraid. I have seen buildings blown up and have worried about my own familly and waited hoping for their safety. From: "johnaleen" ....... I have watched and listened to many comments today nationally from Americans. In addition, I shudder because most are so bottled up in the small world they live in that they have no real clue about how things REALLY are other then what the press and governments feed them. The questions I faced today were very different then the ones I saw being asked on TV, my questions, no doubts, are based on different realties because I have seen much that actually goes on globally above what we feed our nation and the world in the press. I have deep sorrow for the ones that died and my friends and students I cannot find, and may be lost to this tragedy. .....snip...... We cannot have it both ways, most of what happens in reality, most do not understand or see, and about 70 % of our nation walks about blindly to the realties. Most here on the digest I would hope understand what I mean by this, most of you here are traveled and have seen things at least enough to know that its not always the way its portrayed to the American people or the global press. We are martial artists. I tell my students in the face of adversity we learn to choose the best route rather than react simply out of fear that may take us the wrong route. We must be truthful and we must be strong. I fear that the 'leaders' don't hold our attributes. I believe that people should not have to live in fear. Again I pray for those caught up in the nightmare. I fear that some may take offence although none is meant so I will respond no more on this. Patrick M Davies ------------------------------ From: "Jesse A. Manibusan" Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 23:44:12 -1000 Subject: eskrima: USMC Hand to Hand Combat training Does anyone know if Retired Marine Master Sergeant Jim Advincula and GM Arsenio Advincula are related? Also, has anyone seen the new USMC hand to hand combat art? I wanted to train in a non-traditional art, something like Krav Maga or SCARS-like system but I don't know anything about how each compare to the USMC system. I am also wondering: if established systems like Krav Maga and SCARS are so effective, why would the USMC feel the need to invent their own? From what little I have been told about it, it is a new system. It isn't SCARS or any other non-traditional system. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 06:36:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Brief Update: Pentagon 12 Sep 01. Pentagon, 0930 hours. I am limited by what I can write. Several heros emerged last night helping to put out the fires that still are ongoing on the South Wedge of the Helo- port area, Pentagon. This is the Navy side of the Pentagon.Strangers helping each other out. Several of my staff showed true courage. Numbers of deaths are rising but can't release that information. We are awaiting additional supplies from Walter Reed and others. Kudos to American Red Cross and other county support groups. Morning discussion on awareness of chemical warfare issues. We are supporting the military high ranking officials who are in the chambered conference rooms sorting out the issues. God Bless those wonderful volunteers and rescue personnel. Ken McD... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 6:46:32 PDT Subject: Re: eskrima: The circle of violence > My country is deeply affected by the first results of global warming and > will in a 100 years time be partially lost by flooding. Caused by global > industrial emissions but no agreement will be accepted thanks to governments > financed on the oil companies backs. At some point soon here we must get back to FMA. But I must insert that statements like the above are total BS given to us by politicians and the media. Sorry... Please take the time to investigate the issues and learn the facts. Global warming and cooling are normal cycles for our Earth and all experts believe that the cycle we currently find ourselves in is simply that, normal. But of course that is a far far less interesting news story... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 8:02:35 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #403 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.