From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #406 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Wed, 12 Sept 2001 Vol 08 : Num 406 In this issue: eskrima: the unbelievable eskrima: Opinions about 9/11 (WTC and Pentagon) eskrima: the unbelievable eskrima: Global Economy and Warming eskrima: Moo Two eskrima: Mime-Version: 1.0 eskrima: Courage eskrima: Pentagon Update= 2210 hours, 12 Sep 01 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #405 eskrima: From our friends in the north eskrima: Heroes eskrima: Usama Bin Landen eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1200 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 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Rudolf. ------------------------------ From: "Cory Smith" Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 18:47:48 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Opinions about 9/11 (WTC and Pentagon) It's been many years since I've posted anything here. Just wanted to express my opinions concerning today's events and pass on a prayer for all those involved. First, I personally think that we should (as a country) plan to rebuild the World Trade Centers as quickly as possible (whatever the cost) to tell the rest of the world that we stand together as a country and NOTHING will put a stop to our determination or resolve. Once rebuilt, place a memorial attached to the building containing everyone's name who have been murdered in this tragedy. Next, I agree that we should not be political in this matter. It amazes me that our leaders and press can name off a handful of groups that might be responsible for this devastation. This is ridiculous! ANYONE that attacks our country and threatens the safety of it's citizens should be dealt with using extreme measures. Whether these threats be from outside forces or within the borders of our country. For those outside of our borders, those countries that are harboring these animals SHOULD be held accountable. If they are unable or unwilling to police these terrorists; allowing them to build and thrive within the sanctuary of their borders; than damn those borders. ANY terrorist group threatening the safety of our citizens should be punished with all that we have to counter with. Someone also commended the passengers of the plane that went down in Pennsylvania... I agree. It amazes me that 50+ passengers were unable to see the dangers what was potentially unfolding; allowing the tragic events to unfold as they did. We should consider this to be WAR; and as such act accordingly to any future acts of this kind. I can't even imagine the feelings of any of those passengers involved; however, I would hope and pray that I could have the courage to fight (as those apparently did in the Pennsylvania flight) in my, what would appear, to be last moments on this earth. These events should not be seen as a wake up call... that has been happening for the last several years. This should be considered the final nail in the coffin! and it's time to put an end to world terrorism. Period. Cory Smith www.jkdkali.com ------------------------------ From: Rudolf@Kimbel.net Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 01:50:03 +0200 Subject: eskrima: the unbelievable From Berlin, Germany, I want to express my deepest feelings for all the victims of this unbelievable act of inhumanity, their relatives, and all of the US's citizens. I especially feel sad for the over 400 firemen, policemen and other helpers who didn't hesitate to help and paid the highest possible price. I was too shaken to be able to work today, and lot's of friends couldn't even find any sleep tonight. I want you all to know that our whole country is deeply shaken by this tragedy. Today morning 2000 people stood in front of only one of the many churches holdiny prayer for the victims, the church was already full. All flags in Germany are in half post for mourning. Television was dedicated to this incident all day, most cultural and sports events are postphoned. All political parties stopped their election campaign. The Bertelsman Corp. (our Time Warner) will give a million $ for a help fond for the killed policemen and another million for the respective fond for the killed firemen. I could keep on writing, but I would just like you all to know we feel with you. Rudolf. ------------------------------ From: rich parsons Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 16:56:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Global Economy and Warming Hi All, First, let me say I hope there are more survivors and that I hope no one else gets hurt in the rescue effort. Second, The Global Warming argument has been aired in many a media, but I personally have never seen, or read anything suggesting that it nothing more than a cycle, that the earth goes through. If there is a federal document that the current admin. is ignoring could someone provide me the document number so I can read it and add it to my data for future decisions? Third, I work for a large auto company. One of my current programs has a German Engine with a Japanese Engine, in dealerships this December. Another program in the works, has a China made Engine, with A Japanese Transmission, for a body designed by another Japanese company, Assembled in Canada, for my US Auto Company. Lastly, once again I hope all is well, and I will go back to lurking and reading about FMA. Thanks Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 18:28:07 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Moo Two > Subject: eskrima: Moo > > > the question is- knowing it's a REAL danger and a threat- do we stick our > > heads in the sand (like Bush)- or do we start doing something about it to > > lessen the potentially harmful effects- economic or healthwise- for > > oursleves and our offspring? > > Agreed. We should kill all the cows, since they fart way too much, and turn > vegetarian. :) > > Ray Terry Does this mean we can bring back the buffalo? ------------------------------ From: Luis Pellicer III Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 09:52:32 +0800 Subject: eskrima: Mime-Version: 1.0 >But I ask you for one moment and think whether the people who did this >atrocity considered it 'payback'? The circle of violence keeps spinning and >the innocents keep paying the price. Why? With all due respect, whether THEY consider it payback or not is irrelevant. They could be happy for all I care, and think that they're going to heaven by dying a martyrs death. As long as they're dead. Bleeding heart politics aside, the bottom line is that DEAD men can't kill you, or in this case KILL close to 30,000 innocent people. Many children included. A father on the flight that went down in Penn. was on his cell phone before they tried to retake the plane from the hijackers, he didn't care whether he bought the farm or not, just as long as his 2 year old who was on the plane had a chance. As a father I can empathize with that, as any parent would. Tragically they ALL bought it. With some groups, it is a matter of either you or them left standing. People can think what they want, but personally I like to take care of my own. ------------------------------ From: Rick Lindquist Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 18:57:11 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Courage Folks, I apologize for going off topic but this article brings me literally to tears. May we handle adversity as well as these individuals. I think it is because of them we still have a White House. God Bless A saalam a laikum (Peace be onto you) Rick Calls From Flight 93 Offer Clues About Hijackers By Charles Lane and John Mintz Washington Post Staff Writer Wednesday, September 12, 2001; 9:22 PM As United Airlines Flight 93 entered its last desperate moments in the sky, 31-year-old passenger Jeremy Glick used a cell phone to tell his wife Lyzbeth of his impending death - and pledged to go down fighting. Glick told his wife that the Boeing 757's cockpit had been taken over by three Middle Eastern-looking men wielding knives and a red box they claimed was a bomb. The terrorists, wearing red headbands, had ordered the pilots, flight attendants and passengers to the rear of the plane. Lyzbeth Glick, in turn, informed her husband that another hijacked jet had already crashed into the World Trade Center, according to Glick's brother-in-law, Douglas B. Hurwitt, who spoke in detail with Glick's wife about the 30-minute call. Authorities believe the hijackers of Flight 93 were aiming for a target in Washington. Glick said he and others aboard the plane had decided to rush the cockpit and try to subdue the terrorists - a display of resistance that may have staved off a much worse catastrophe. "They were going to stop whoever it was from doing whatever it was they'd planned," Hurwitt said. "He knew that stopping them was going to end all of their lives. But that was my brother-in-law. He was a take-charge guy." Glick's cell phone call from Flight 93, and others like it, provide the most dramatic accounts so far of events aboard the the four aircraft during the terrifying hours of Tuesday morning, and offer clues about how the hijackings occurred. Still, much is unknown about how bands of three to six terrorists on each airliner, apparently armed with knives, razors and box cutters, eluded security measures, took control of the four aircraft and committed the worst act of terrorism on U.S. soil. On Flight 93, at least, passengers said they were going to fight back. Ten minutes into the 30 minute call with her husband, Lyzbeth Glick asked her father to call the FBI on a separate line, Hurwitt said. FBI agents monitored the last 20 minutes of the call and are studying a tape and transcript. Glick, a sales manager for a technology firm who celebrated his 31st birthday on Sept. 3, told his wife that he hoped she would have a good life and would take care of their 3-month old baby girl - before the phone call faded out amid what Hurwitt described as "random noises and screams." It is unclear what Glick and other passengers did next, but Flight 93 was the only one of four planes hijacked Tuesday that did not smash into a major target on the ground. Some are already calling the passengers who may have attempted to thwart the hijacking heroes. Pennsylvania Rep. John Murtha, the ranking Democrat on the House Congressional Defense Appropriations Committee, said at the crash site near Shanksville, Pa., yesterday that he believes a struggle took place in the plane's cockpit and that the plane was headed for a significant target in Washington, D.C. "There had to have been a struggle and someone heroically kept the plane from heading to Washington," Murtha said. Whoever was ultimately in control of the plane, Flight 93 made a number of odd maneuvers in midair before it finally plunged to earth. "Halfway through its trip, around Weston, W. Va., it took some sharp turns, all within about two or three minutes," said Jeff Krawczyk, chief executive of Flight Explorer, a software firm that uses FAA data to track flights. "It was going west, then took a turn to the north, and then went west again." Then the plane headed into Kentucky, and took a sharp turn south toward Washington, and around that time the FAA's center in Cleveland lost contact with the flight, apparently because someone on board turned off its transponder, he said. Brad Clemenson, a spokesman for Murtha, said the doomed aircraft apparently made at least two other sharp turns in its last minutes - swerves that are detectable in a computerized reconstruction of the jet's path by Flight Explorer. Dennis Fritz, director of the municipal airport in Johnstown, Pa., said the FAA called him several times as the plane approached his city, and even warned him to evacuate the tower for fear the jet was going to plough into it. "They said the plane was very suspicious, and they didn't know what it was doing," Fritz said. Flight 93 crashed into a field 14 miles south of Johnstown. The wife of another passenger has also spoken of farewell phone calls from her husband on board the plane, in which he, too, mentioned a plan among the hostages to thwart the terrorists. Deena Burnett, wife of 38-year-old California businessman Thomas E. Burnett Jr., said she received four calls from her husband. During the first call, he described the hijackers and told her that they had stabbed and seriously injured one of the passengers, and advised his wife to contact authorities. She informed him that the World Trade Center had been hit by another hijacked jet. Thomas Burnett called back shortly thereafter to report that the wounded passenger had died, and said that he and some others "were going to do something," to stop the terrorists, Deena Burnett told KCBS Radio in San Francisco. Kathy Hoglan of Los Gatos, Calif., says her nephew, 31-year-old Mark Bingham, did not specifically mention a plan to tackle the hijackers in his cell phone call to her at 9:44 a.m. Eastern time. Bingham managed only to tell his aunt and mother, Alice Hoglan, that the plane had been hijacked and that he loved them before the phone "went dead," Kathy Hoglan said. But the six-foot-five-inch former University of California rugby player would undoubtedly have joined any such effort, she said. "He was calm but scared, as if he knew something was going to happen," Hoglan said. "There's no doubt he wouldn't have let them get away with it." Aboard other doomed flights, passengers and flight personnel were also frantically using cell phones to describe the terror unfolding in the sky. Betty Ong, an American Airlines flight attendant aboard Flight 11 that slammed into the World Trade Center, called her airline supervisor to report that she had seen at least three hijackers with weapons and that more than one person aboard the plane had been stabbed, law enforcement sources said. The hijackers also told people on the plane that they planned to crash the aircraft in New York City, the sources said. It is unclear how that telephone call ended. © 2001 The Washington Post Company ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 19:13:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Pentagon Update= 2210 hours, 12 Sep 01 Date: 12 Sep 01. Time: 2210 hours (10:10 pm) Location: Pentagon Brief Comments: Staying away from the political comments. - - The fires have been put out in the affected Pentagon Wedge. - - President Bush has visited to boost morale and thank workers and volunteers. - - We are on 24 hour shifts. - - The Salvation Army is making "hot cooked" meals to rescue workers. - - All bags are checked when entering the Pentagon. - - Building was temporarily evacuated today due to potential spreading fire. - - Many tireless workers, volunteers, and support groups. Ken McD... __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ------------------------------ From: "Pentjakker" Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:10:06 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #405 > you're right in that this country is completely wide open to large scale > terrorist attack- consider how the 'accidental' introduction of such > lovelies as 'mad cow' disease or 'hoof in mouth' would effect our econonmy- > > or large scale epidemics of ebola or west nile virus- not to mention loads > of e. coli and salmonella introduced into large wholesale meat packing > > or even something as un-noticable as numerous large forest fires over the > entire western states- all the terrorist would need would be a box of > matches and a greyhound bus ticket- 'johnny fireseed goes west' > > and let's not forget those ubiquitous gas pipelines that run thru every > > J B AS it is equally irresponsible to post a bunch of options openly on an openly international forum. Have they been contemplated? Probably but no need to enamour the enemy. Regards, Travis Osama Bin Laden, death be upon him!!!! ------------------------------ From: "Rocky" Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:46:45 -0400 Subject: eskrima: From our friends in the north Sorry Ray the following isn't FMA. The following predates yesterdays tragedy, but I think it fitting, it was passed on to me by a friend. TRIBUTE TO AMERICA > > The following, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing. > > Its subject is "America: The Good Neighbor" > > Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a > remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a > Canadian television commentator. What follows is the full text of his > trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record: > > "This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the > most generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the > earth. Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were > lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in > billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of these > countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to > the United States. > > When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans > who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on > the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it. > > When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that > hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American communities were > flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped. > > The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars into > discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are writing > about the decadent, warmongering Americans. > > I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the > erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any > other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, > the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't they fly > them? Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American > Planes? > > Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on > the moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios. You > talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles. You talk about > American technocracy, and you find men on the moon-not once, but several > times-and safely home again. You talk about scandals, and the Americans > put theirs right in the store window for everybody to look at. Even > their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our > streets, and most of them, unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are > getting American dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here. > > When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down > through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the > Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned > them an old caboose. Both are still broke. > > I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of > other people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else > raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help > even during the San Francisco earthquake. > > Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is damned > tired of hearing them get kicked around. They will come out of this > thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb > their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I > hope Canada is not one of those." By the way Ray you hit the nail right on the head with the Global warming Crap!!! Rocky Pasiwk Founder Cuentada DeMano Chief instructor Anciong's Original Balintawak ------------------------------ From: "Pentjakker" Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:30:39 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Heroes > MSNBC STAFF AND WIRE REPORTS > > Sept. 12 - The passengers of United Airlines Flight 93 out of > Newark, N.J., knew they were going to die. Already at least one passenger > had been killed by the knife-wielding terrorists who had hijacked the plane. > But some decided they were going to go down fighting - True heroes. Makes empty hand vs. blade training all the more significant. It is now being said that no knives at all will be allowed on board, presumeably unless checked within your luggage. There have been discussions on carry and flight travel here. I've made it through the metal detector carrying a 3.5" blade so this should give little comfort in the above unfortunately. One time I got a little nervous because the detector went off but it turned out to be that I still had a pager clipped on my belt. But that in the bin and passed thru no problem. YMMV but then I won't recommentd it. Regards, Travis ------------------------------ From: "Pentjakker" Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:35:36 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Usama Bin Landen The United States Government is offering a reward of up to $5 million for information leading directly to the apprehension or conviction of Usama Bin Laden. Aliases: Usama Bin Muhammad Bin Ladin, Shaykh Usama Bin Ladin, the Prince, the Emir, Abu Abdallah, Mujahid Shaykh, Hajj, the Director DESCRIPTION Date of Birth: 1957 Hair: Brown Place of Birth: Saudi Arabia Eyes: Brown Height: 6' 4" to 6' 6" Complexion: Olive Weight: Approximately 160 pounds Sex: Male Build: Thin Nationality: Saudi Arabian Occupations: Unknown Remarks: Leader of a terrorist organization known as Al-Qaeda "The Base". He walks with a cane. Scars and Marks: None CONSIDERED ARMED AND EXTREMELY DANGEROUS IF YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION CONCERNING THIS PERSON, PLEASE CONTACT YOUR LOCAL FBI OFFICE OR THE NEAREST U.S. EMBASSY OR CONSULATE. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 20:38:37 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #406 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.