From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #408 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thur, 13 Sept 2001 Vol 08 : Num 408 In this issue: eskrima: on being properly armed eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #406 eskrima: Worldwide Caution eskrima: Reply eskrima: Tuhon McGrath is OK eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #407 eskrima: Gee eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #407 eskrima: Food for thought... eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1200 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kristine Strasburger Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 07:08:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: on being properly armed >True heroes. Makes empty hand vs. blade training all >the more significant. >It is now being said that no knives at all will be >allowed on board, >presumeably unless checked within your luggage. >There have been >discussions >on carry and flight travel here. I've made it through >the metal detector carrying a 3.5" blade so this >should give little comfort in the abov >unfortunately. One time I got a little nervou because the detector went off but it turned out to be >that I still had a pager clipped on my belt. >But that in the bin and passed thru no problem. YMMV >but then I won't recommentd it. >Regards, >Travis Sad Greetings to the list. I want to know why nobody is talking about making a loaded sidearm standard issue and uniform for all commercial pilots and flight attendants? If these individuals were given the proper adrenaline-stress firearms training on board mock airliner cabins, and then required to carry their weapons on duty there would be a lot more for any potential hijacker to consider before attempting to pull this kind of #*$#. And I dare say, airline workers and passengers would have some confidence restored knowing that they have a viable means to protect themselves. Some will say that you can't risk having bullets flying loose in an airplane cabin or cockpit, but these attacks have just shown us that in the event of a serious hijack, the plane is probably going to go down anyway, and it is better to have it go down and loose only those on board than have it hit a target, and take out thousands more. I believe those heroes who intervened on the one flight realized that they were going do die in the act, but that they were quite willing, considering their predicament, to sacrifice their lives in order to save others. True heroes. And on this same note: Why shouldn't every law abiding person be permitted to carry a legal blade on their body while flying? I, for one, would feel much more comfortable knowing that I was surrounded by people who had weapons on them. If every adult on those flights were armed with a blade, whether they had training or not to use it, that would have made the few blades the hijackers wielded severely outnumbered. And everyone knows it doesn't take much of a blade to inflict a wound, or overpower an enemy. I can't help but think that the "disarm everyone" mentality that prevails here in America is going to be the eventual end of us. There is real power in being able to protect yourself, as you all know, so why not permit us to live this way while the good guys still outnumber the bad? I hope that this terrorist attack leads to a re-arming of the citizens of America, rather than a more severe disarming than we are already subject to. Maybe that will only occur if we, the citizens, let our wishes be known. We do NOT want to be restricted in our ability to preserve our lives! Also, thanks for the recent article posted from Canada. That was encouraging to read. Sincerely, Kristine Strasburger __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ------------------------------ From: FGS & KVF Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 07:10:05 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #406 > TRIBUTE TO AMERICA > > > > The following, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing. > > > > Its subject is "America: The Good Neighbor" What a nice thing to write! And very true. We are arrogant at times and stick our noses in places they may not belong, but we have done a lot of great things as a nation for ourselves, other nations and emigrants to our country. It is too bad that we don't get more appreciation like the article from Canada. Spunky > > > ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 8:57:51 PDT Subject: eskrima: Worldwide Caution Forwarded message: PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE Office of the Spokesman Worldwide Caution September 12, 2001 The events of September 11 at the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and Somerset, Pennsylvania, serve as a cruel reminder of the continuing threat from terrorists and extremist groups to Americans and American interests worldwide. This situation remains fluid and American citizens should be aware of the potential risks and to take these into consideration when making travel plans. The Department will continue to develop information about potential threats to Americans overseas and to share credible threat information through its Consular Information Program documents available on the Internet at http://www.travel.state.gov. As the U.S. Government has reported in Public Announcements over the last several months, U.S. citizens and interests abroad may be at increased risk of terrorist actions from extremist groups. Most recently, we advised that we had unconfirmed information that terrorist actions may be taken against U.S. military facilities and/or establishments frequented by U.S. military personnel in Korea and Japan. In addition, we continue to be concerned about information we received in May 2001 that American citizens may be the target of a terrorist threat from extremist groups with links to Usama Bin Ladin's Al-Qaida organization. In the past, such individuals have not distinguished between official and civilian targets. We take this information seriously. In light of the above information, U.S. Government facilities worldwide remain at a heightened state of alert. U.S. citizens are urged to maintain a high level of vigilance and to increase their security awareness. Americans should maintain a low profile, vary routes and times for all required travel, and treat mail and packages from unfamiliar sources with suspicion. American citizens are also urged to avoid contact with any suspicious, unfamiliar objects, and to report the presence of the objects to local authorities. Vehicles should not be left unattended and should be kept locked at all times. U.S. Government personnel overseas have been advised to take the same precautions. U.S. citizens planning to travel abroad should consult the Department of State's Public Announcements, Travel Warnings, Consular Information Sheets, and regional travel brochures, all of which are available at the Consular Affairs Internet website at http://travel.state.gov. We will continue to provide updated information should it become available. American citizens overseas may contact the American Citizens Services unit of the nearest U.S. Embassy or Consulate by telephone or fax for up-to-date information on security conditions. American citizens in need of emergency assistance should telephone the nearest U.S. Embassy or Consulate before visiting there. U.S. Government facilities have and will continue to temporarily close or suspend public services as necessary to review their security posture and ensure its adequacy. In those instances, U.S. Missions will make every effort to provide emergency services to American citizens. In addition to information on the Internet, U.S. travelers may hear recorded information by calling the Department of State in Washington, D.C. at 202-647-5225 from their touch-tone telephone, or receive information by automated telefax by dialing 202-647-3000 from their fax machine. This Public Announcement supersedes the Public Announcement - Worldwide Caution of September 7, 2001, to inform U.S. citizens of of our continued concern about safety and security overseas in light of the events of September 11. This Public Announcement expires on March 12, 2002. *********************************************************** See http://travel.state.gov/travel_warnings.html for State Department Travel Warnings ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 09:17:29 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Reply A Howl etc: > From: "Marc Denny" > 1) Patrick's thoughts: Although I agree that the US often puts its > nose where it ought not too, (see my PS below and a point worthy of > considerable reflection) I confess I find many of his comments silly-for > example blaming the US for Brazil's policies of replacing jungle with cattle > ranches. > > You misunderstand me and I accept that that could be down to poor writing. > It is the way that the US is perceived in the world is different from the > way you perceive yourselves. Quite true! > Perception may not have anything to do with > facts. Also true! > Many ills in the world have been credited to certain decisions that > were influenced by wealthy corporations that are institutionalized in the > US. Also true-- as written-- althougth the anonymity of the intransitive voice ("have been credited") does leave out just who is doing the crediting :-) > These icons are seen as crass and destroy the cultures in which they go into > and are held to be icons of the US. The fast food throw away society is seen > as a plague by many rather than the freedom and civilization its promoted > as. Hell, I don't think much of McDonald's either. I consider it a failure any time I have to eat there-- but the other day when we had to take my son to the doctor, it was that or starve. > I am trying to say that the way you have acted before has not necessarily > been in your best interest and only by pointing this out I hope you stop > making the same mistake and avoid fuelling the opportunity for idiots to do > this again! Here is where I have a problem with the logic. As the saying goes, "If you make everything idiot proof, they will only make a better idiot." We are dealing here with a mindset that sentences people to death for a writing a book. Or look at the things that the Taliban does to the people of Afghanistan-- especially the women. There is no pleasing some people. And, in my opinion there is no appeasing people who deliberately attack exclusively civilian targets. (I note in passing that there has been no statement from the Israeli equivalent of our State Department calling upon us to "show restraint". I wonder how they have felt all the years we have done that to them when they have suffered such attacks.) Look, I agree that the US does many things which it shouldn't. Some of the them are really wrong. Some of them are really stupid. For example, our president's father snatched stalemate from the jaws of victory against Iraq, called upon the Kurds and all Iraquis to rise up and, with US troops victorious in place on the ground, allowed Saddam to blast them. Then he institutes a policy, continued by Clinton for 8 years, of starving the Iraqui people to punish Saddam. Clinton then withdraws the weapons inspection program under cover of some bombings. This is madness! And why? As best as I can tell because our foreign policy elites worried about a power vacuum that would benefit Iran which, headed by nuts who sentence people to death for writing books, does have its reasons for not liking us-- we certainly mucked about in its internal affairs for years-- although we did keep the Russians from taking it over after WW2. These are complicated matters, and it is well beyond me in keeping track of them. I mention them in a light unfavorable to my country to show that I am not blind to this and more. If your case we based upon them it would be a lot stronger than blaming us for Brazilian cattle ranches and the rest of the laundry list of leftist complaints about the free market. In the present moment, the Israelis, who are surrounded and have been dealing with these types of attacks for years, pushed hard by the US made a helluva an offer to the Palestinians and Arafat, having got all the concessions he could, seized upon a visit of a jew to a jewish holy site near a muslim holy site (I refer here to Sharon's visit) and closed the Palestinian schools which was clearly understood as a call to return the Intifada. The mission never was peace for him. With Clinton out of office, the Bush people have ceased pressuring the Israelis and now we are blamed by the Palestinians for what they themselves have wrought. Now some dance in the streets for the deaths of some 20,000 of our civilians just as they have danced in the streets for years over the deaths of Israeli civilians. Of course, arguably it would have been in our best interest to not have gotten involved and have allowed them to have pushed Israel into the sea years ago, but then again if that was our way your flag would be a Swastika. > From: Luis Pellicer III > With all due respect, whether THEY consider it payback or not is irrelevant. > They could be happy for all I care, and think that they're going to heaven > by dying a martyrs death. As long as they're dead. ........People can think > what they want, but personally I like to take care of my own. > > I fully understand but ask you to take a wider look and make sure that the > action taken is not make up to hide the spots but the real effective stuff > that stops this hideous act from ever happening again. US retaliation in the > past in Sudan, Afghanistan and elsewhere has only served to encourage more > anti US feeling and give these maniacs a platform to stand on. there is the > opportunity right now that with the world revulsion to this act that we can > really do something that stops this from escalating and in fact puts a stop > to it. Yes! Here I agree here wholeheartedly. Our fly-by (yes, this is a comparison to the term "drive-by") policy is often a useless feelgood bandaid and that Clinton bombed Afghanistan and Sudan in order to distract from his impeachment is morally reprehensible. War has been declared upon us and you are right that we need to win. However I do not see that this cannot be done without escalating :-) > If we are to stop this atrocity from repeating itself - speaking as someone > who has been blighted by terrorism in my own country - then we have to do it > in a proper way. Next time you see a Noraid can going around a bar looking > for donations take a thought that that money is funding terrorist activities > in the UK and make your stand against terrorism. The IRA bombings in the UK > have been funded by people in the US being duped into some romantic idea. > One mans struggle against tyranny is another mans terrorism but when people > are the victims we should say no. Mass bombing of Afghanistan therefore isnt > the answer as it hasn't been in Bahgdad. I agree here in part. Our fly-by (yes, this is a comparison to the term "drive-by") policy is often a useless feelgood bandaid and that Clinton bombed Afghanistan and Sudan in order to distract from his impeachment (given that there was no follow up when the intended targets survived and given what we know about Clinton this seems to me to be a most reasonable assessment) is morally reprehensible. This sort of thing is my problem with the man-- not his fibbing about fellatio. On the other hand for all my criticisms of our policies above, mass bombings were part of what kept Saddam from taking the entire Saudi Arabian peninsula. A Very Good Thing! War has been declared upon us and it is for us to win. As for support here in the US of the IRA, it is off my radar screen. I have no knowledge. > The martial arts connection is how best to look after ourselves without > attracting the attacks to happen again. See my comments above. I would add further that how one makes the peace is just as important as winning the war. Just as it was necessary to defeat the evil of Hitler, it was just as necessary to offer the hand of friendship to the German people and the Japanese people. The postings yesterday of some of our German members warmed this Americans heart-- from a terrible war to a genuine friendship between our countries. My readings here in the US show that I am not alone in this. The expressions of support from Germany, from England, from the rest of Europe, from NATO, from Australia, from Saudi Arabia and OPEC ("we'll keep pumping the oil") from Russia are all very well received here. On the other hand Arafat's expression of support was not. It is time for the US to settle this, and to make a good peace. The good peace is what will stop this from happening again. But first we must win. > Peace be with you. And to you. > Patrick M Davies Marc "Crafty Dog" Denny ------------------------------ From: Stickgrappler Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:17:49 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Tuhon McGrath is OK hello, >Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 7:33:28 PDT > >Tried to call Bill M. again, but phone circuits are still busy into NYC. > >Ray Terry after reading the Grand Poobah of the Internet's posting, I called and spoke to Tuhon McGrath. he is OK. he will be posting to the Digest in time. he is waiting to hear on one student. he mentioned he lost 3 court officers who went in to help in the rescue. be safe. hyman "Stickgrappling is a bit like a pinball game when 3 balls get going. There is the grappling, the stickfighting, and the stickgrappling all going on at once and what is sound in one, may be quite vulnerable in the context of one or both of the others." - Guro Crafty Dog ------------------------------ From: Kjowers194@cs.com Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:58:48 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #407 In a message dated 9/13/01 7:08:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Tried to call Bill M. again, but phone circuits are still busy into NYC. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com >> I e-mailed Tuhon on 9/11/01 and he did reply that he is safe and sound, thank God. Ken Jowers Kjowers194@cs.com ------------------------------ From: "Pentjakker" Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 18:51:51 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Gee Glad to "hear" you're safe Hyman. How the work broker's license coming? Regards, Travis > be safe. > > hyman > > p.s. Top Dog, your brother is in my prayers. > > "Stickgrappling is a bit like a pinball game when 3 balls get going. There is the grappling, the stickfighting, and the stickgrappling all going on at once and what is sound in one, may be quite vulnerable in the context of one or both of the others." - Guro Crafty Dog > ------------------------------ From: "Pentjakker" Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 19:03:39 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #407 >>Mass bombing of Afghanistan therefore isnt the answer as it hasn't been in Bahgdad. The mistake made was stopping before reaching Baghdad and Hussein. Hopefully Ahmed Shah Massoud is still alive though there have been reports claiming otherwise. In anycase the Northern Alliance should be given all assistance necessary, perhaps even be a literal ally, to eradicate the Taliban, Al Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden. Confounding the effort is that the Bin Laden family is very close to the Saudi royal family and at least multi-millionaire's if not billionare's. They should offer up this enemy of humanity. "all that has been proved is our joy at the killing of the American Soldiers in Riyadh and Khobar" -Osama Bin Laden, on the barrack bombing in Riyadh. ------------------------------ From: JLHOnami@aol.com Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 19:46:59 EDT Subject: eskrima: Food for thought... This is going off-topic, and it is about the events of the last few days, but here are some thoughts that came out of a lunch-table conversation today: (1) A fair-sized number of the passengers who died in the Pennsylvania airplane crash will doubtless (and deservedly) be hailed as heroes. One wonders if future highjackers will have to have to face the prospect of a mass riot aboard by the emboldened passengers. (2) The number of passengers with cell phones, who made some of the most heart-wrenching (as well as informative) phone calls, can only increase. Not to mention the rise of digital cameras, etc. At first blush a highjacker may enjoy the publicity and notoriety he is going to get -- until the authorities start using those photos to track down their accomplices and family. (3) Anyone care to bet that at some point the FAA may discreetly install a device aboard commercial aircraft that can disable the plane from a ground command? Perhaps a quick fuel dump, or a major instrument loss, something that will bring a plane down immediately, but with a controlled landing. Think about it. I grieve for the loss of life, and pray for their souls as well as the sould of their families, but I also pray that our government takes no hasty action. Remember: the first ones blamed for the Oklahoma City were of foreign extraction, but the perps later turned-out to be Americans. And former President Clinton did us no favors by using airstrikes to keep the media distracted from his sexual pecadilloes. Again, Revenge is a dish best served cold -- from the standpoint of preparation, and from the standpoint of letting the victim generate a flase sense of security. Jeff Harris JLHOnami@aol.com "If you can't beat 'em, arrange to have them beaten." -- George Carlin ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 19:14:53 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #408 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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