From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #417 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Wed, 19 Sept 2001 Vol 08 : Num 417 In this issue: eskrima: Latigo y daga eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #415 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #415 eskrima: KKK eskrima: Providing for the Common Defense eskrima: 17 to 45 eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1200 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. 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Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ben Climaco Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 22:50:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #415 > > From: Tom Meadows > Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 14:45:59 -0700 > Subject: eskrima: MR.s Clay and Alcindor > > > And while we are getting the Middle Easterners to > "Clean house", how do > you think they must perceive our Christian right > wing militia groups You don't know much about militias. I'm not a member but have spoken with people from about 5 different militias, as well as read materials from several more. Most militias are not based on religion. The primary focus of almost every militia is to protect the Constitution from an ever expanding government. The main issue is the right to keep and bear arms, with property rigts, privacy, asset forfiture ect as secondary concerns. Some members might look to religion for inspiration and there certianly are Christians in militias, but they are not "Christian Militias". Almost everyone in my current dojo is Christian, but we are not a "Christian Dojo." I've seen lots of atheists and New Agers at militia/patriot gatherings. Who else do you thin would sell manuals on how to figh UFOs? (I'm serious- They were selling these.) > and > the Ku KLux Klan, all of which are legally > organized, and are an > accepted part of our culture. The Ku Klux Klan is into a wierd religion called "Identity Christianity" which has elements of older Pagan religions as well as some science fiction and who knows what else. It is far enough from any form of Christianity to be considered a psudo-christian cult. If there were extreme "Right Wing Christians" on the level of these Islamic extremist, we would be seeing "Neo-Puritians" on the Protestant side and "Bring Back the Inquisition" groups on the Catholic side. Give me links to sights on these groups if you have them. > We may not like them > but until they cross > the line, we do not legally interfere with them. The FBI and ATF run sting operations all the time. They were even onto McVeigh's group and knew about the bombing but were either too incompetent to stop it or diddn't want to, but that's another topic. > > "The only difference between the Grand Dragon of the > KKK and Osam Ben > Ladin is the location of their followers" The KKK has roughly 5,000 idiots that wear bedsheets and burn crosses to act tough. They are a bunch of losers and are nowhere near as dangerous as the Bin Ladin's followers. True terrorists, like Ladin, Strassmir (McVeigh's leader), the IRA, etc. are dedicated to their "jobs", not weekend warriors like the KKK. __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ------------------------------ From: Kes41355@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 07:31:56 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #415 In a message dated 9/18/01 7:31:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Last issue Kim Satterfield wrote " Nothing about Ali changed over the years". The one thing that he did change was his name from Cassius Clay when he becama a muslim. Oddly enough, his namesake, the original Cassius Clay was instrumental in saving the White house from direct attack during the Civil war. >> I really hesitated responding to Ray's post, given the events of last week. Yes, I am very aware that Ali changed his name, and did so when he adopted the Islamic faith. The attacks on NY and Washington, DC were horrific acts, but were accomplished by an extremely radical faction that is not supported by 99 percent of the world's Muslims. Kim Satterfield ------------------------------ From: Patrick Davies Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 12:30:15 +0100 Subject: eskrima: KKK Sorry mate. From: "Todd Ellner" First difference: The KKK and 'Christian right wing militia' do not enjoy wide popular support. Second difference: They are largely directed inwards at this country The KKK heavily financed right wing activities within Europe. Many neo nazi groups are financed by individuals in the states. KKK made a big attempt to gain ground within the UK and only due to serious police operations were they stopped for the time being. Freedom has so many interpretations doesn't it. Pat Davies ------------------------------ From: "Buz Grover" Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 11:18:54 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Providing for the Common Defense In the wake of the terrorist attacks 11 September 01, I encountered an article that discussed the history and role of the American militia as a force of civil response to attacks such as these. As some of you may have noted, I'm interested in examples where communities use martial skills to protect themselves and their way of life. This article strikes me as particularly germane in light of current events. It can be found at: http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-barnett091801.shtml I feel somewhat guilty posting this link as I don't want to get Ray bogged down moderating another Second Amendment/Armed Citizenry/Gun Control debate. As such, if you are horrified by the notion of US citizens providing for their own defense, please email me privately. Regards, Buz Grover ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 9:17:27 PDT Subject: eskrima: 17 to 45 > You don't know much about militias. I'm not a member > but have spoken with people from about 5 different > militias, as well as read materials from several more. Buz's post is timely given Ben's post (above). I don't know Ben, but if he is a citizen of the US, at least 17 and under 45, he -is- a member of the militia (per federal statute). But, we've been off topic here for the last week, with very good reason. Time to get back to FMA.?.?. 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