From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #418 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thur, 20 Sept 2001 Vol 08 : Num 418 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #415 eskrima: RE: Muhammad Ali eskrima: the unbelievable II eskrima: Refutation eskrima: Militias and stuff Re: eskrima: Militias and stuff eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1200 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ernest Westbrook" Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 16:32:05 +0000 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #415 tmeadows@greaterbaynet.com, wrote: >Subject: eskrima: MR.s Clay and Alcindor > >Last issue Kim Satterfield wrote " Nothing about Ali changed over the >years". The one thing that he did change was his name from Cassius >Clay >when he becama a muslim. Oddly enough, his namesake, the >original Cassius >Clay was instrumental in saving the White house from direct attack during >the Civil war. Boy, would I like to know more about that Civil War reference! Kim, would you be kind enough to cite a source or two for me? >Same name change for Lew Alcindor, aka Kareem Abdul Jabar. It is >interesting to realize the number of well respected Muslims we have >in our >culture that we don't think of as Muslims That maybe because they were born and raised in America and converted to Islam at a later point in their lives. It also helps that the above mentioned people were well known athletes; however i would caution you to go back and do some research, because if memory serves me correctly, their conversions and usage of their new names was not universially accepted. >I had to explain to my 81 year old Catholic mother yesterday that >Muslims outnumber Christians by something like four to one on the >planet. Most Americans are clueless in that area... Not true, the numbers are near even. >And while we are getting the Middle Easterners to "Clean house", how do you >think they must perceive our Christian right wing militia >groups and the >Ku KLux Klan, all of which are legally organized, and >are an accepted part >of our culture. We may not like them but until >they cross the line, we do >not legally interfere with them. I do not consider either of the above mentioned groups to be an accepted part of our culture. The members do have the right to freely associate and believe whatever they choose, so long as they do not violate the law as you so aptly point out. >"The only difference between the Grand Dragon of the KKK and Osam Ben >Ladin is the location of their followers" Perhaps you are correct there as well, however, it does seem to me, given the recent events, the Bin Laden people are here and in hiding. they have violated the law and in all likelihood will do so again in some manner if not apprehended first. There little doubt in my mind however that the Radical Christian Right and KK would be supportive of the Bin Laden group(s) because those people are trying to destroy American and the entire political-economic structure upon which the counrty is built. Both of these groups would be prone to destroy the other, there is very little that they have in common because they are equally racist and xenophobic. EBrook THE Wicked Western Warlock _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: "Bojo, Rudy" Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 12:52:44 -0400 Subject: eskrima: RE: Muhammad Ali Ray, Your previous post reminded me of a piece of trivia my FMA instructor mentioned several years ago. He said a Filipino named "Speedy" Gomez had some influence on Muhammad Ali's footwork. I was curious whether any others on this list had heard of this? I'm trying to locate this teacher to find out more info, will follow up... God Bless America! Rudy ------------------------------ From: Rudolf@Kimbel.net Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 01:07:50 +0200 Subject: eskrima: the unbelievable II Hi, ere's Rudolf from Berlin Germany. I'm ashamed. 13 of the arab terrorists who participated in the hedious attack un the US people lived and were educated in Germany. Three of those, one each on the passenger lists of the two WTC planes and the Pitsburgh plane, had been on Hamburg University studying airplane enginering. One did a bit of urban deevelopement studies, another some building engineering. What scares me most is the third of them. Before he started his airplane engineering studies in Hamburg, he was preparing for Bio-Chemisty in Greifswald University. Obviously, preference was given to 'classic' means for now. German news and papers are full of articles asking not to discriminate arabs. I myself feel our responsibility and would like to see all arabs removed from safety critical education. All known terrorists were portrayed by those who knew them as friendly people. It is therefore not possible to sort them out at the moment. One female student in Hamburg, who had close ties to one of three above terrorists, said she now needed to rearrange her perception of reality, because she had no idea how this person could commit such atrocities. What really scares me is the idea of arabs educated in Bio-Chemics in Germany doing biological or chemical attacks in the US, or anywhere else. If you have contacts to German politicians, put pressure on them to act now. They're still discussing flight safety or foreigners rights. I'd also like to launch some letters to US newspapers to put 'reverse pressure' on German politics. Please advise me wher my word could have the most effect. Still ashamed, but trying to do some good, Rudolf. ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 23:23:48 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Refutation A Howl of Greeting to All: I'm not sure how to handle this-- Ray has correctly asked for a return to the FMA, yet something I posted about President Bush giving money to the Taliban as part of the War on Drugs appears to have been substantially misleading. Woof, Crafty Dog - ----------------- 9/17 Brendan: The Taliban aid trope re-emerges http://www.spinsanity.org/post.html?2001_09_16_archive.html#5742282 [Note: There are links to the various articles mentioned on this webpage, if you are interested.] Don't believe the hype about Bush administration aid to the Taliban. Back in June, I showed how Los Angeles Times columnist Robert Scheer deceptively portrayed Bush administration food aid to starving Afghanis as a "gift of $43 million to the Taliban rulers of Afghanistan" to reward them for acting against drug production. While the aid was partially motivated by the Taliban's crackdown on opium production, CNN and others have reported that it was intended to avert a looming famine exacerbated by a ban on growing opium. Moreover, the aid consisted not of cash, but $28 million in surplus wheat, $5 million in food commodities and $10 million in "livelihood and food security," a fact never acknowledged by Scheer, and was distributed through international agencies of the United Nations and nongovernmental organizations instead of the Taliban itself. Nonetheless, in the wake of the attacks and the likely responsibility of Osama Bin Laden, who has been provided refuge by the Taliban, Scheer's trope has re-emerged. Gerry Kamiya's September 13 Salon.com story on Bin Laden calls recent US aid to Afghanistan a "reward" for "condemning opium growing as anti-Islamic", implies that the aid was distributed as cash and links to the deceptive Scheer column. Filmmaker Michael Moore then repeated this claim the next day, inflating the $43 million figure cited by Scheer into $48 million. Scheer repeats the trope in a somewhat more limited form today: "Call it what you will, even humanitarian aid, and funnel it through the United Nations, but the effect is the same: to send to the Taliban a signal that its support of Bin Laden has been somehow acceptable." Of course, back in June, Scheer did not call it humanitarian aid or acknowledge that it was not given directly to the Taliban. In general, it's fine to criticize the aid, as Michelle Malkin does, for indirectly helping the Taliban regime. But readers deserve to know that it was food aid to starving people rather than a cash gift to a pariah government harboring a known terrorist. Update 9/18 5:30 PM EST: An alert reader pointed out that the current version of Michael Moore's column linked above now cites the correct figure of $43 million in emergency aid rather than the $48 million figure given in the original version of the column emailed to Moore's list last Friday. I was also not sufficiently clear in noting that the $43 million was in addition to previously allocated aid, bringing the total for the year to over $100 million. And finally, in the interest of full disclosure, I neglected to note that Ben Fritz and I helped bring Moore to speak at Swarthmore College when we were students there. Moore was paid a fee by the college for his speech, which he said he would donate to charity. ------------------------------ From: kalkiusa@netscape.net Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 10:05:32 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Militias and stuff I'm going to stay away from commenting on these thoughts except to say that if you want to KNOW what's going on in America which could provide domestic and internationally-driven terrorism here in our beloved USA, check out www.splcenter.org and read their Intelligence Reports. We have much home-grown stuff to be concerned about and it isn't as simple as has been suggested here. 'Nuff said. Read and learn. Mitakuye Oyasin. Be well, Mik __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 12:44:18 PDT Subject: Re: eskrima: Militias and stuff > I'm going to stay away from commenting on these thoughts except to say > that if you want to KNOW what's going on in America which could provide > domestic and internationally-driven terrorism here in our beloved USA, > check out www.splcenter.org and read their Intelligence Reports. Checked it out. In the first sentence they start off talking about 72 militias in the US. Your BS alarm should go off loud and clear. You know the old adage, when you quickly find one huge glaring error you immediately wonder how much they actually got right. IMHO in the US the term militia is well defined, even though our primary media sources continually misreport it. There are not 72 militias in the US. There may be groups calling themselves a militia, but that does not mean that they are the militia. If I call myself the Pope does that actually mean that I am? But I'll keep reading... Ray Terry Grand Pooh Bah of the Internet :) raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 13:09:49 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #418 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.