From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #419 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thur, 20 Sept 2001 Vol 08 : Num 419 In this issue: eskrima: Marc Denny/Dog Brothers Columbus, OH Seminar eskrima: Food for thought eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #418 eskrima: Four who measured up eskrima: Re: the unbelievable II eskrima: Filipino boxing and Ali eskrima: Masterhood eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1200 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. 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Thank you..........Mike Hamilton ------------------------------ From: boyd5755@att.net Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 20:51:45 +0000 Subject: eskrima: Food for thought Food for thought from a different point of view. Subject: Fwd: From an Afghan's point of view >> > > This came from Norm Noble. It is well worth reading. I am thankful for the email that has come across my screen this week words of comfort, concern. love and patriotism. This one stood out >as a perspective we would do well to think about. It was written by an American from Afghanistan who knows the perspective of both countries. It will doubtlessly make the rounds for it is worthy of our attention. With comfort, concern and love for you and our great land! >> > > Norm "I've been hearing a lot of talkabout "bombingAfghanistan back >to the Stone Age." Ronn Owens, on KGO Talk Radio today, allowed that this would mean killing innocent people, people who had nothing to do with this atrocity, but "we're at war, we have to accept collateral damage. >What else can we do?" Minutes later I heard some TV pundit discussing whether we "have the belly to do what must be done." and I thought about the issues being raised especially hard because I am from Afghanistan, and even though I've lived here for 35 years I've never lost track of what's going on there. So I want to tell anyone who will listen how it all looks from where I'm standing. I speak as one who hates the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden. There is No doubt in my mind that these people were responsible for the atrocity in New York. I agree that something must be done about those monsters. But the Taliban and Bin Laden are not Afghanistan. They're not even the government of Afghanistan. The Taliban are a cult of ignorant psychotics who took over Afghanistan in 1997. Bin Laden is a political criminal with a plan. When you think Taliban, think Nazis. When you think Bin Laden, think Hitler. And when you think "the people of Afghanistan" think "the Jews in the concentration camps." It's not only that the Afghan people had nothing to do with this atrocity. They were the first victims of the perpetrators. They would exult if someone would come in there, take out the Taliban and clear out the rats nest of international thugs holed up in their country. Some say, why don't the Afghans rise up and overthrow the Taliban? The answer is, they're starved, exhausted, hurt, incapacitated, suffering. A few years ago, the United Nations estimated that there are 500,000 disabled orphans in Afghanistan--a country with no economy, no food. There are millions of widows. And the Taliban has been burying these widows alive in mass graves. The soil is littered with land mines, the farms were all destroyed by the Soviets. These are a few of the reasons why the Afghan people have not overthrown the Taliban. We come now to the question of bombing Afghanistan back to the Stone Age. Trouble is, that's been done. The Soviets took care of it already. Make the Afghans suffer? They're already suffering. Level their houses? Done. Turn their schools into piles of rubble? Done. Eradicate their hospitals? Done. Destroy their infrastructure? Cut them off from medicine and health care? Too late. Someone already did all that. New bombs would only stir the rubble of earlier bombs. Would they At least get the Taliban? Not likely. In today's Afghanistan, only the Taliban eat, only they have the means to move around. They'd slip away and hide. Maybe the bombs would get some of those disabled orphans, they don't move too fast, they don't even have wheelchairs. But flying over Kabul and dropping bombs wouldn't really be a strike against the criminals who did this horrific thing. Actually it would only be making common cause with the Taliban--by raping once again the people they've been raping all this time So what else is there? What can be done, then? Let me now speak With true fear and trembling. The only way to get Bin Laden is to go in There with ground troops. When people speak of "having the belly to do what needs to be done" they're thinking in terms of having the belly to kill as many as needed. Having the belly to overcome any moral qualms about killing innocent people. Let's pull our heads out of the sand. What's actually on the table is Americans dying. And not just because some Americans would die fighting their way through Afghanistan to Bin Laden's hideout. It's much bigger than that folks. Because to get any troops to Afghanistan, we'd have to go through Pakistan. Would they let us? Not likely. The conquest of Pakistan would have to be first. Will other Muslim nations just stand by? You see where I'm going. We're flirting with a world war between Islam and the West. And guess what: that's Bin Laden's program. That's exactly what he wants. That's why he did this. Read his speeches and statements. It's all right there. He really believes Islam would beat the west. It might seem ridiculous, but he figures if he can polarize the world into Islam and the West, he's got a billion soldiers. If the west wreaks a holocaust in those lands, that's a billion people with nothing left to lose, that's even better from Bin Laden's point of view. He's probably wrong, in the end the west would win, whatever that would mean, but the war would last for years and millions would die, not just theirs but ours. Who has the belly for that? Bin Laden does. Anyone else?" Tamim Ansary ------------------------------ From: "jose saguisabal" Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 14:05:39 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #418 Rudolph wrote: "I myself feel our responsibility and would like to see all arabs removed from safety critical education. " You SHOULD be ashamed of yourself. I guess Hitler's ideology hasn't gone away. Maybe we should disarm all Germans in case of another Holocaust. We should punish all Black people for OJ's crime. I mean how can you tell who will be next? White Europeans and Americans should be forced to pay back all the Asian countries and African countries and Central/South American countries for colonialism and genocide. All Africans should join the White Americans and Europeans, since some of them took part in the Slave trade as well. Japanese should be taken out for their attempt to colonize all of Asia. And let's not forget Pearl Harbor. If the whole world thought like that, there would be no people left because of the crimes of a few. Then, we'd all be governed by the animal kingdom. Jay P.S. But then again, all lions should have to pay back the zebras for.... Make a difference, help support the relief efforts in the U.S. http://clubs.lycos.com/live/events/september11.asp ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 14:07:19 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Four who measured up Four of a Kind Click here for more on this story Posted: Wednesday September 19, 2001 6:11 PM The huge rugby player, the former high school football star and the onetime college baseball player were in first class, the former national judo champ was in coach. On the morning of Sept. 11, at 32,000 feet, those four men teamed up to sacrifice their lives for those of perhaps thousands of others. Probably about an hour into United Flight 93's scheduled trip from Newark to San Francisco, the 38 passengers aboard the Boeing 757 realized they were being hijacked. The terrorists commandeered the cockpit, and the passengers were herded to the back of the plane. Shoved together were four remarkable men who didn't much like being shoved around. One was publicist Mark Bingham, 31, who helped Cal win the 1991 and '93 national collegiate rugby championships. He was a surfer, and in July he was carried on the horns of a bull in Pamplona. Six-foot-five, rowdy and fearless, he once wrestled a gun from a mugger's hand late at night on a San Francisco street. One was medical research company executive Tom Burnett, 38, the standout quarterback for Jefferson High in Bloomington, Minn., when the team went to the division championship game in 1980. That team rallied around Burnett every time it was in trouble. One was businessman Jeremy Glick, 31, 6'2" and muscular, the 1993 collegiate judo champ in the 220-pound class from the University of Rochester (N.Y.), a national-caliber wrestler at Saddle River (N.J.) Day School and an all-state soccer player. "As long as I've known him," says his wife, Lyz, "he was the kind of man who never tried to be the hero -- but always was." One was 32-year-old sales account manager Todd Beamer, who played mostly third base and shortstop in three seasons for Wheaton (Ill.) College. The rugby player picked up an AirFone and called his mother, Alice Hoglan, in Sacramento to tell her he loved her. The judo champ called Lyz at her parents' house in Windham, N.Y., to say goodbye to her and their 12-week-old daughter, Emmy. But in the calls the quarterback made to his wife, Deena, in San Ramon, Calif., and in the conversation the baseball player had with a GTE operator, the men made it clear that they'd found out that two other hijacked planes had cleaved the World Trade Center towers. The pieces of the puzzle started to fit. Somewhere near Cleveland the passengers on Flight 93 had felt the plane take a hard turn south. They were now on course for Washington, D.C. Senator Arlen Specter (R., Pa.) believes the plane might have been headed for the Capitol. Beamer, Bingham, Burnett and Glick must have realized their jet was a guided missile. The four apparently came up with a plan. Burnett told his wife, "I know we're going to die. Some of us are going to do something about it." He wanted to rush the hijackers. Nobody alive is sure about what happened next, but there's good reason to believe that the four stormed the cockpit. Flight 93 never made it to Washington. Instead, it dived into a field 80 miles southeast of Pittsburgh. All passengers and crew perished. Nobody on the ground was killed. In the heart of San Francisco's largest gay neighborhood, a makeshift memorial grew, bouquet by bouquet, to the rugby player who was unafraid. Yeah, Bingham was gay. In Windham, a peace grew inside Lyz Glick. "I think God had this larger purpose for him," she said. "He was supposed to fly out the night before, but couldn't. I had Emmy one month early, so Jeremy got to see her. You can't tell me God isn't at work there." In Cranbury, N.J., a baby grew in Lisa Beamer, Todd's wife, their third child. Hearing the report last Friday of her husband's heroics, Lisa said, "made my life worth living again." In Washington, a movement grew in Congress to give the four men the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the highest award a civilian can receive. At a time like this, sports are trivial. But what the best athletes can do -- keep their composure amid chaos, form a plan when all seems lost and find the guts to carry it out -- may be why the Capitol isn't a charcoal pit. My 26-year-old niece, Jessica Robinson, works for Congressman Lane Evans (D., Ill.). Jessica was in the Capitol that morning. This Christmas I'll get to see her smiling face. I'm glad there were four guys up there I could count on. Issue date: September 24, 2001 ------------------------------ From: "Buz Grover" Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 17:24:53 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re: the unbelievable II Rudolf writes: << German news and papers are full of articles asking not to discriminate arabs. I myself feel our responsibility and would like to see all arabs removed from safety critical education. >> Whoa! One of America's shameful chapters involves the internment of Japanese Americans during WW II. I hope that neither Germany or any country follows in those footsteps to any degree. As noted earlier there are more than a billion Muslims on the planet, hundreds of thousands at least, millions perhaps, of which live in Western democracies. Bringing grief to the many because of the actions of the few would not only be antithetical to democratic values, but is also the sort of social disruption the terrorists intended. Islamic Fundamentalists seek to radicalize the Muslim world by portraying Western culture as incompatible with their faith. Let's not prove them correct. Regards, Buz Grover ------------------------------ From: TABULA RAZA Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 14:24:05 -1000 (HST) Subject: eskrima: Filipino boxing and Ali Hello everyone, In response to Rudy and Rudolph, Rudy - I think it's Gabriel "Flash" Elorde whom you were referring to as having influenced Ali's footwork. He was a Visayan boxer from cebu from what I've heard and even practiced eskrima, but don't take my word for it. I think it was Mr. Rocky Paswik who talked about Ali and the Flash in a 1960 something Ring magazine. Maybe the Rock or anyone else who knows can help me out? Rudolph - Much thanks for the interesting info in Germany. Keep us posted on the developments. In addition to what you have just told us, I just heard from someone, who saw something on the news, that these terrorists actually took martial arts classes and read some of the books . . .any of you guys know something about that? Assalamu Alai Kum (Peace be with you all), Erwin Legaspi "If we cleanse the doors of perception, everything would appear as it is . . .infinite." - William Blake "Intellect and intelligence do not go together. Intelligence is obtained only when the heart and mind reach an agreement." - Jiddu Krishnamurti "It is like a finger pointing to the moon . . .don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all that heavenly glory." - Enter the Dragon, Bruce Lee ------------------------------ From: "Stephen Jones" Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 02:26:31 Subject: eskrima: Masterhood Hello eskrimadors, I was wondering what the process is to be called a master in the FMA? Can you just call yourself one? Do you need to go through an accreditation process and if so what is involved? Regards, Steve. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 20:11:33 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #419 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.