From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #420 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 21 Sept 2001 Vol 08 : Num 420 In this issue: eskrima: RE: Prof. James and Vee Arnis eskrima: MA books eskrima: Mime-Version: 1.0 Re: eskrima: Masterhood eskrima: SPLC No B.S. eskrima: We the militia-- thanks Buz eskrima: Re: Ali and his footwork eskrima: Re: "Masters" eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #419 eskrima: Logs eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1200 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Justo370@aol.com Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 22:39:23 EDT Subject: eskrima: RE: Prof. James and Vee Arnis In light of the tragic and horrific events which have happened in NYC, does anyone know if Prof. David James and the Vee Arnis martial arts school is fine or not? As some of you may be aware, the school is located on Park Place in NYC which less than two (2) blocks from the WTC. Please advise if anyone knows his condition. In addition, because of this cowardice act, I'm sure the school is closed, and if so, has anyone offered to rent Prof. James and his students temporary space in order to continue their training? Again, concerned people want to know. ------------------------------ From: "Pentjakker" Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 00:04:03 -0400 Subject: eskrima: MA books >I just heard from someone, who saw something on the news, that these terrorists >actually took martial arts classes and read some of the books . . .any of >you guys know something about that? Dunno about classes but MA books were found along with the Boeing manuals in the car left at Logan Airport in Boston. Regards, Travis ------------------------------ From: Luis Pellicer III Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 12:29:15 +0800 Subject: eskrima: Mime-Version: 1.0 >I guess Hitler's ideology hasn't gone away. Maybe we should disarm all Germans in case of another Holocaust. > >We should punish all Black people for OJ's crime. I mean how can you tell who will be next? > I think the situation here is a little different. It seems that the terrorist MO is to blend in until they are called upon. These aren't overt hostiles or random acts of violence which are dictated by individual chance, there is SPECIFIC intent by a largely UNKNOWN enemy. They could be living right next door to you and you wouldn't know it. It brings up the unpleasant situation where your friend one day, will be willing to blow you and your family up the next. It seems to have been worked out that way. Due to lack of controls, they ARE in, whether anybody likes it or not. They make the system work FOR them, knowing the bitching that will be going on regarding civil liberties. In the mean time thier support systems continue, hiding behind that which they look to eventually destroy. The system has failed with regards to identification. Now the only solution may be to profile and do some weeding (unpleasant as it may be), or go on our way, hoping that no one who is already in will try and pull the same thing. Or worse.....and hope that we catch them on time. In any business plan you deal with short, medium and long term goals. This isn't any different. With regards to the medium and long term goals, you have the luxury of time to sort out the roots of the problem. You can be as understanding as you need to be in finding a definite lasting solution. With regards to short term goals, you have to deal with here and now. In an analogy, if confronted by a knife weilding drug addict who sees you as the source of his next score, and doesn't want a witness, what do you do? Do you relate to him and sympathize with the fact that he came from a broken home, that his parents didn't love him, that he was stigmatized from birth without a real fighting chance to succeed in life, and that he doesn't have the resources to see a good therapist to sort his head out? All while he's in the process of gutting you? Or do you blow his ass away as quickly as you can to save yourself. Then get involved with your community to prevent these people from victimizing anyone else in the medium term, and look to prevent them from ever getting to thier sorry state in the long term. Which includes rehabilitation AND prevention. Personally, I prefer to be higher up on the food chain, and would choose the latter option. Just my thoughts. ------------------------------ From: Steve Klement Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 01:01:32 -0400 Subject: Re: eskrima: Masterhood Hello Mr. Jones - I can hardly believe I am attempting to answer this question as I usually shy away from such loaded guns but perhaps I need something to take my mind off of the current terrible events.... Anyway, it really all depends on the system one is associated with ("if" they are associated with one at all). Although there are huge similarities shared by some organizations, each typically has it's own right of passage... So in summary, one could get a Master rank in the FMA by: Inheriting a style or system when the current head passes or retires Passing all test and time requirements in relation to the style they study Or (as is often the case) just proclaiming it "so" Though in the last case our own Mr. Ray Terry so eloquently pointed out earlier today in a reply to another message: "If I call myself the Pope does that actually mean that I am?" : ) - -- Steve Klement Masirib Guro www.inayaneskrima.com klement@inayaneskrima.com Inayan Systems International > From: "Stephen Jones" > Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 02:26:31 > Subject: eskrima: Masterhood > > Hello eskrimadors, > > I was wondering what the process is to be called a master in the FMA? > Can you just call yourself one? Do you need to go through an accreditation > process and if so what is involved? > > Regards, > > Steve. ------------------------------ From: kalkiusa@netscape.net Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 01:27:12 -0400 Subject: eskrima: SPLC No B.S. Ray... There is no B.S. in the SPLC. The only thing that you'll find there are hard-working, America-loving people who put their lives on the line to do what only they are doing. Some Federal agencies get intelligence on "un-American" activities from them. Their report of "72 militias" is exactly what you've said, re: armed groups that consider(ed) themselves militias ... if that doesn't match a dictionary or legal definition of a militia, so what? Splittin' hairs on that one. People like those working the SPLC need our support, not our derision. They're for real and they're in it for keeps. Read on cousin. There's only one thing that I don't go for with the SPLC, but for the greater good and the sake of human rights I partially ignore their involvement with cases involving "alternate lifestylers". Mitakuye Oyasin. Be well, Mik __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. 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What happened after we boarded was interesting and thought I would share it with you. The pilot/captain came on the loudspeaker after the doors were closed. His speech went like this: First I want to thank you for being brave enough to fly today. The doors are now closed and we have no help from the outside for any problems that might occur inside this plane. As you could tell when you checked in, the government has made some changes to increase security in the airports. They have not, however, made any rules about what happens after those doors close. Until they do that, we have made our own rules and I want to share them with you. Once those doors close, we only have each other. The security has taken care of a threat like guns with all of the increased scanning, etc. Then we have the supposed bomb. If you have a bomb, there is no need to tell me about it, or anyone else on this plane; you are already in control. So, for this flight, there are no bombs that exist on this plane. Now, the threats that are lef t are things like plastics, wood, knives, and other weapons that can be made or things like that which can be used as weapons. Here is our plan and our rules. If someone or several people stand up and say they are hijacking this plane, I want you all to stand up together. Then take whatever you have available to you and throw it at them. Throw it at their faces and heads so they will have to raise their hands to protect themselves. The very best protection you have against knives are the pillows and blankets. Whoever is close to these people should then try to get a blanket over their head--then they won't be able to see. Once that is done, get them down and keep them there. Do not let them up. I will then land the plane at the closest place and we WILL take care of them. After all, there are usually only a few of them and we are 200+ strong! We will not allow them to take over this plane. I find it interesting that the US Constitution begins with the words "We, the people"--that's who we are, THE people and we will not be defeated. With that, the passengers on the plane all began to applaud, people had tears in their eyes, and we began the trip toward the runway. The flight attendant then began the safety speech. One of the things she said is that we are all so busy and live our lives at such a fast pace. She asked that everyone turn to their neighbors on either side and introduce themselves, tell each other something about your families and children, show pictures, whatever. She said "for today, we consider you family. We will treat you as such and ask that you do the same with us." Throughout the flight we learned that for the crew, this was their first flight since Tuesday's tragedies. It was a day that everyone leaned on each other and together everyone was stronger than any one person alone. It was quite an experience. You can imagine the feeling when that plane touched down at Dulles and we heard "welcome to Washington Dulles Airport, where the local time is 5:40". Again, the cabin was filled with applause. It has been a very long day and one that I am glad is over. I have been constantly reminded this day of the article in JAAMT that Barbara Williams recently wrote where she referenced the tornados in Oklahoma and said something like, "Do we get mad and shake our fists at God in anger? No, we go on and conquer our fears and continue our lives." It is my hope that is what we do now. Last night I saw a program with college students where one of them said that at their campus there are no more hyphenated titles, i.e., African-American, etc., everyone is just an American. No one will ever be able to take that pride away from us. ------------------------------ From: Kes41355@aol.com Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 07:40:41 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Ali and his footwork In a message dated 9/20/01 12:45:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Ray, Your previous post reminded me of a piece of trivia my FMA instructor mentioned several years ago. He said a Filipino named "Speedy" Gomez had some influence on Muhammad Ali's footwork. I was curious whether any others on this list had heard of this? I'm trying to locate this teacher to find out more info, will follow up... God Bless America! Rudy >> Hi Rudy, Actually, the Filipino fighter that had a tremendous influence on Ali, particularly his footwork, was the boxer "Flash" Elorde (please correct my spelling, I know it isn't correct). Flash's influence on Ali's footwork was his circling pattern, always moving away from the power hand. This is evident in the way most FMA's I've seen tend to move to the zero pressure zone on the first beat. I am also a boxer, and the story of Ali's footwork being influenced by a Filipino champion is well-known in boxing circles. I have even seen pictures of Ali and Elorde together; I understand that they were great friends, and that Ali held Flash in the highest regard. As for the blend of FMA and Western boxing, I for one can say that it is a marriage that was meant to be; both rely on speed rather than strength, and both emphasize the flow, and both arts work from the reference point of realism. Developing sharp boxing skills will give you a comfort range to fall back on and work your way in from that is difficult to beat. As for the Civil War reference to Cassius Clay's namesake, it was Tom Meadows, and not me, who brought that up. Mr. Meadows will have to answer that question for you. Kim Satterfield ------------------------------ From: Kes41355@aol.com Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 07:50:14 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: "Masters" In a message dated 9/20/01 7:45:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Hello eskrimadors, I was wondering what the process is to be called a master in the FMA? Can you just call yourself one? Do you need to go through an accreditation process and if so what is involved? Regards, Steve. >> Hi Steve, Interesting question...Generally, in the old days, an eskrimador must be battle proven to be considered a master, and even then it was a title that was recognized and bestowed by ones' peers. To call oneself a "master of a Filipino martial art" would quickly bring about an "accreditation process" of sorts...the claimant will be challenged by other eskrimadors, to put their self-proclaimed skills to the test. Unfortunately today, the title has lost much of it's original meaning, and anyone with enough money can buy a coveted "master" certificate (however, the true masters are still recognized and respected in FMA circles). Sadly, pretenders to the throne are tolerated today much, much more than they would have been 50 years ago. Kim Satterfield ------------------------------ From: Bladewerkrr@aol.com Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 08:13:29 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #419 In a message dated 9/20/01 7:45:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << In the heart of San Francisco's largest gay neighborhood, a makeshift memorial grew, bouquet by bouquet, to the rugby player who was unafraid. Yeah, Bingham was gay. >> How sad that the bouguets were not for all these brave men! This is a time that petty things like what a person does in his bedroom has no bearing on the matter. The sacrifice was for all, all should be honored. Bear ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 7:15:49 PDT Subject: eskrima: Logs > Splittin' hairs on that one. That is not a hair my friend, that is one big Redwood log... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 7:17:04 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #420 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.