From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #423 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Sat, 22 Sept 2001 Vol 08 : Num 423 In this issue: eskrima: master or no master... eskrima: Masterhood eskrima: Master/Guro eskrima: Re: rights and education eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #418 eskrima: great work eskrima: Correction: Bert Rodrigues, is my bad.. eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1200 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "LARRY ST. CLAIR" Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 10:34:58 -0700 Subject: eskrima: master or no master... Master or no master...? That is the question. I personally have always frowned on the term "master" in the martial arts. To me the term means that there is nothing more to learn. You have mastered something, so what is left. I truly believe that from the day we are born we learn things. Even all the way up till the day we die, we will still be learning. I am always in a constant training mode. My students both in training and ability keep me on my toes. They help me learn as much as I do them. I like to look at Guro Inosanto as a man who is always a student. Never satisfied with his current level. Always striving for more knowledge and ability. To me, this is where we should all be. Saint ------------------------------ From: Brandon Tapps Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 09:24:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Masterhood I'm not qualified to say who can use the title of "Master" in FMA but I do have food for thought. Dan Inasanto, in the preface of his book Filipino Martial arts claims " I'm no master only a guro. Remy Presas, Grandmaster of Modern Arnis, preferred to be called Professor. In my opinion if you're using the term "Master" and you aren't in a league with these guys .... you look kinda silly. Paul O'Grady __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 10:50:52 PDT Subject: eskrima: Master/Guro Where are people getting the impression that master means one has nothing more to learn??? Various definitions from Webster of the term master: - a person with the ability or power to use, control, or dispose of something - an employer of workmen - a person who commands a merchant ship - the male head of household - a male teacher, tutor, or schoolmaster - a person whose teachings one accepts or follows - a victor or conqueror - a workman qualified to teach apprentices and to carry on his trade independently - a man eminently skilled in something, as an occupation, art, or science Seems like people are perhaps putting far too much meaning into the term Master, or perhaps not enough into the meaning of Guro. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "LARRY ST. CLAIR" Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 12:52:37 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: rights and education hey gang, unfortunately(?) in a free society, people of all walks of life can practice and learn about what ever they want. we are fortunate to be able to do these things. without them, many of us probably wouldn't be able to learn the various arts that we do. it is sad to say that with freedom comes a price. by openning up and allowing ourselves to be free, we will be much more open for terrible incidents. I have many good friends and students who are from arabic decent and I would never stop them from going to school or learning martial arts. many of them are successful business people because of their education here and they support the economy. lets switch rolls for a moment and say it was some white americans on the plane who just got sick of all the layoffs and decided to get together and do something to make a statement. then where would we be? it is sad that the enemy is being trained by us. this only means that we need to have heavier intelligence and more difficult screening processes on many things. I begin teaching many of my students defenses against the knife; but I dont teach them the offenses with the knife till about 6 months down the road. I want to make sure they are good people and they plan on continuing with their training. remember in the end fear is your only enemy, and you have to know your enemy. my pennies, saint ------------------------------ From: "Forrest Shelton Clark" Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 13:08:32 -0500 Subject: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #418 Ray, I am a very junior member of the eskrima world and so do not often speak to the whole group. And I greatly respect the wisdom you share with us. However, the SPLC's assertion that there are 72 militias in the US is not BS, nor is it a glaring error as you name it. Many groups claim the name of militia that are groups based on bigotry and hatred of specific racial or religious groups. And that is the use of the term militia within the SPLC's reporting context and is an appropriate use. Does that make such groups "the" militia. Of course not, just as your tongue-in-cheek use of the title of the "Grand Pooh Bah of the Internet" does not make you such. However were you to continue to make this claim and to act based on this claim as though others on the internet had to do it your way, it would be a legitimate description of the way in which you think of yourself. The point is that the groups self-identify with this term and it is a term used within a specific sociiological context (not the constitutional context). The SPLC has earned the right to identify and count those who would name themselves as militias (or as other kinds of hate groups) through many years of diligent and accurate reporting of the hate group scene through their monitoring of the KKK. They are a highly respected law firm, not just a fringe group without knowledge or basis. Thank you for an opportunity to comment. Now back to silence in the face of the overwhelming knowledge of the group about eskrima, which is the reason I enjoy being here. Forrest Shelton Clark ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 12:36:38 PDT Subject: eskrima: great work > The SPLC has earned the right to identify and count those who would name > themselves as militias (or as other kinds of hate groups) through many years > of diligent and accurate reporting... Perhaps.. But because one does good, or great, work in one area does not then give them freedom to err in others, imho. Folks, time to get back to FMA, or at least MA, yes? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 16:38:12 EDT Subject: eskrima: Correction: Bert Rodrigues, is my bad.. In a message dated 9/22/01 11:52:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Yes this true, one ofthe guys learned from of my friends here, Owner and Master of Vee Jitsu, Arnis and Kung-Fu, Master BertRodrigues whom also instructor of the World Kickboxing Champion, Banny "Cobra" Canino. Bert Rodrigues and I shared more than 12 students, 9 of Correctional Officers students and 3 Saudi Arabian/Sapnish ethnic Mother and two boys also are my students. I just want to correct the last name of Bert, I got used to calling him Bert or Master Bert only, is my bad.. Thanks, Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 14:56:46 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #423 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.