From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #432 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thur, 27 Sept 2001 Vol 08 : Num 432 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #431 eskrima: Can We have More On Derobio Escrima eskrima: We Miss You Suro eskrima: Re: We miss you dad eskrima: R.I.P. Mangisursuro Mike Inay eskrima: Derobio eskrima: Combat Conditioning eskrima: Indonesia - Travel Warning eskrima: what is a master eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1200 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bladewerkrr@aol.com Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 10:20:52 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #431 In a message dated 9/27/01 7:02:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Being a Master in something to me tends to give the impression that you have Mastered something and are the Master of it. again sort of closes the doors for growth. >> Part of that is because we take things so seriously! No one with a Masters degree, or a Doctrate for that matter thinks thye know everything ( oops recalling some of my professors in college, strike that) Seriously it is an indication of how many steps we have climbed, not the top of the ladder. Bear ------------------------------ From: "al sardinas" Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 10:43:58 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Can We have More On Derobio Escrima Ray, that was a great interview with Derobio's GM Braulio Pedoy. I did a search and note that his system is mentioned on the FMA FAQ (thanks for updating it!) and Arlan "Salty Dog" Sanford was a student of and last person to be promoted by GM Pedoy. Can anyone out there provide more information on the Derobio system? Respectfully, Al Sardinas Student of Garimot System of Arnis "First, however, my Master told me to study about the ocean, and of the philosophy of the sea. If you were to climb to the top of a tree and look into the ocean, you would see different shades of blue. The darker the blue, the deeper the water. In the lighter areas it is shallow, rough, and noisy. Many are at this level, close-minded people with conflicting goals in life who tend to use their mouths loosely. We must look towards the deeper water where it is calm and peaceful, where your morals run deep and only pure thoughts come out of your mouth. Thus, you can observe for yourself what is shallow and what is deep. In every one of us the Lord provided seven gateways for us to observe the environment. Each of us has two eyes, two ears, two nostrils, and a mouth. Only the mouth can get us into serious trouble with our fellow man -- thus, one should be very careful in what one says. Give good advice, don't lie, and never gossip, for it might not be true. Then you can get your humbleness from that." - GM Braulio Pedoy ------------------------------ From: CoryHanosh@astec.com Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 08:22:00 -0700 Subject: eskrima: We Miss You Suro Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay A Warrior, A Friend, A Father In The Arts A year ago we lost you so unexpectedly. A loss that burns in each of us who had the pleasure of knowing you and studying the art you held so dear. You opened our eyes with your zest for life and instilled the desire to continue on with your dream. The dream of sharing your art with those that want to learn and helping people discover their true abilities. I personally want to thank you for the opportunity to learn from you. An individual has their life shaped by many factors while they live. One of the biggest is the people with which we associate. You were one individual that had a tremendous impact on my life and I look forward to teaching my sons those lessons I learned from you. We miss you Suro, Lahong Guro Cory Hanosh (27) Inayan Systems International hanosh@inayaneskrima.com www.inayaneskrima.com ------------------------------ From: "Jason Inay" Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:42:14 Subject: eskrima: Re: We miss you dad It was one year ago that my father left us. I miss him dearly and think of him every day. A moment of silence for the 365th time, and still it seems that he was here just a moment ago. Dad, your ISE and ITO still lives and we miss you, though you live in our hearts and minds, and everytime we pick up our sticks, salute and begin to train it is as though you still live. Your students, family, and friends miss you. Today we have our second annual memorial work out, in memory of a great man, a great teacher, a great leader, a great Inayan Eskrimador, a great father, and a great friend. Mangisursuro Mike G. Inay, rest in peace dad. Love you Dad. On behalf of the students and instructors that still uphold the system of martial arts you founded and the organization you started, we love you and miss you. Suro Jason Inay Inayan Eskrima Inayan System of Eskrima Inayan Training Organization www.Inayan.com "It is not in the Knowing..., It is in the Doing.." Suro Mike Inay 1944-2000 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: "Elite Self Defense Centers" Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 11:05:40 -0500 Subject: eskrima: R.I.P. Mangisursuro Mike Inay Today marks one year since we lost a great Eskrimador and Filipino Martial Artist. It is a sad day but also a day for happiness. Sad because I miss my friend and teacher. A person whom the entire FMA and martial arts community respected. A man who returned that respect by being true to his art and to all who study eskrima and martial arts regardless of style or system. Sad also because there are those who did not honor him by complying with his final wishes. A day of happiness because I know he has gone to a much better place than here on earth and I will see him again some day. He is gone in the physical sense but will always be in our hearts and memories. Happy also because his life's work and dreams are being carried on by those who give their support to Suro Jason Inay. As I look back on the past year, to those of you who have chosen to HONOR him by continuing the art of Inayan Eskrima and have given your support to Suro Jason Inay and Guro Jena Inay, I say "THANK YOU". That support was so very much important to Mangisursuro. I know this because he had told me so, less than two weeks before his passing. Those of you who have given your support to Suro Jason Inay should be very proud of yourselves, for you are doing as Mangisursuro Mike Inay had specifically expressed and wanted. Suro Jason Inay has accepted the title of Suro, as his father had dictated. With the help of Guro Jena Inay and Mangisursuro's most loyal students, Suro Jason has with great effort, dedication and personal sacrifice worked tirelessly to ensure the Inayan Eskrima Organization would continue to flourish and grow. To continue spreading the art of Inayan Eskrima and to be an organization that not only honors his father, Mangisursuro Mike Inay, but the entire filipino culture and all those who study the arts. Keep up the great work Suro Jason. Additionally, today is a day for me to remember a man who taught me the art of Inayan Eskrima and who encouraged me to explore other arts. A man who was honorable, caring and would give when there was none to give. But most of all to remember a man who gave me his friendship and for this I will always be thankful. Mangisursuro Mike, your son and daughter are doing all that you have asked and I know you would be proud. May God Be With You, Tom Lopez ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 14:18:26 PDT Subject: eskrima: Derobio > Can anyone out there provide more information on the Derobio system? I have chatted before with Chief Chris Siangco, who is a grandson of GGM Pedoy and Regional High Chief for the USA. He lives and teaches down in San Diego. Chief Siangco can be reached at derobio-sandiego@home.com, or at least that addr worked a few months ago. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Kjowers194@cs.com Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 16:50:09 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Combat Conditioning Just received the book in the mail today and a quick browse through it show some really excellent calisthenics. I can't wait to begin to play with them some. The question I want to ask is this : Has anyone here used these exercises for an extended period of time and if so what results (if any) did you see. Thanks in advance. Ken Kjowers194@cs.com or Bravesfan1995@cableone.net (my new cable ISP) ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 14:33:35 PDT Subject: eskrima: Indonesia - Travel Warning Indonesia - Travel Warning September 26, 2001 The Department of State warns U.S. citizens to defer travel to Indonesia. The September 11 terrorist attacks in the United States have significantly added to concerns about the security situation for American citizens resident in or traveling through Indonesia. As a result of these concerns, the Department has authorized the departure of all U.S. Government personnel in non-emergency positions and family members in Indonesia. All American citizens in Indonesia are urged to consider their personal security situations and to take those measures they deem appropriate to ensure their well-being, including consideration of departure from the country. Americans who despite this Warning remain in or visit Indonesia should exercise maximum caution and take prudent measures to maintain their security. These measures include maintaining a strong security posture by being aware of their surroundings, avoiding crowds and demonstrations, keeping a low profile, varying times and routes for all required travel and notifying the nearest U.S. Embassy or Consulate in case of any change in the local security situation. U.S. Consular personnel remain available to provide emergency services to American citizens. This Travel Warning is being issued to alert Americans to increased security concerns in Indonesia, and it supplements the Travel Warning for Indonesia of September 24, 2001, which is available on the Bureau of Consular Affairs Internet home page at http://travel.state.gov. ------------------------------ From: "Anthony James Hawkins" Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 18:00:30 -0400 Subject: eskrima: what is a master The legendary Jeff Cooper has his own definition of "master" I thought id send it as another angle on the subject. AJ "This matter of terminology continues to perplex. In activities requiring dexterity, endurance, strategy, and skill it has become commonplace to refer to an expert as a "master." If one looks at the record, it becomes clear that a master is a teacher. He should be very good at what he does, but mainly he should be good at teaching what he knows. Consider, for example, the "headmaster" of a school. Thus a practitioner of weaponcraft should properly not be considered a master unless he regularly teaches his craft to others. In England in the Middle Ages masters of weaponry were licensed by the crown, and one of the interesting provisions was that once a master had attained that designation he was forbidden thereafter to compete in his activity. Today almost anyone who has ever done well in a contest or been to school sees no shame in opening his own school, thus placing himself in the category of master, whether he knows it or not. The country today is awash in two-bit schools of pistolcraft. They will take your money and hand you a ticket, but whether you are any better with your weapon after graduation will depend entirely upon the competence of the master." _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:56:00 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #432 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.