From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #454 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Sat, 13 Oct 2001 Vol 08 : Num 454 In this issue: eskrima: Kids in FMA eskrima: Mime-Version: 1.0 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #453 eskrima: Re: The Gathering eskrima: Re:FMA to kids eskrima: FMAs to kids eskrima: Consider the source? eskrima: Re: FMA to kids? eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #453 eskrima: Kids and Non FMA 'Bert' eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1200 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). http://InayanEskrima.com http://Inayan.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 22:32:58 EDT Subject: eskrima: Kids in FMA Rey writes: << I'm curious... >> How many of you teach kids (say under 13) eskrima, sticks and blade stuff? Or are in a school in which that occurs? I've seen a ton of kids in Judo or Taekwondo or Karate-ish or Kung-fu schools, but not many in FMA schools. I suspect that I know why that is, but what is your experience? Do you have kids in your school? >>Ray Terry When I first teach in the Philippines, I taughts about 1,500 kids from 8 yr old -12 yr old. In different public and private schools. I was succesfully earning a lot of respect from kids, promoting Arnis, but I did make the Curriculum, simples and fun for them. Alot of Sinawali Drills, Moro-moro Drills. They got easily bored by hard coordination type of exercise. So I made it simple for them, Then when you find someone have the ability to carry the high level of the arts, then we usually take them to the side and talk to them, we teach them the simple Curriculum and let them guide the beginner, then later we give them special class only for them "Katulong " (helper). On 1990, when I start accepting student my Demo Team is all kids, from, 3 years old - 13 yr old. We used to give a Demontraion in Filipino Gathering and Celebration, like "Pista sa Nayon", Philippine Independence day, etc. I also Taugh them a lot of simple drills based on "Moro-moro and Sinawali.. Kid love them, I was doing good, the only things is I dont want to open my own school, I been using "Karate School" and Kun-fu School to hold my class. I dont see myself making this my Bread and Butter. So I decided to keep small groups, and stay away of accepting a lot of kids. I can tell you FMA is very competitive to other MA school, just make the curricullum Simple, and I look at it as is my kids, I am just baby sitting kids. I am thinking to open the door to those kids again. I think kids is fun to work with, there so many questioned, sometimes, you aslo learn from there mistake. I start teaching my Daughter at the age of 2, now she is 11 and she can swing a very good determine stick, now she is training in "Harimaw Buno", She has a lot af heart to arts, the only thing is I need to bring kids on her age for her to test her skill. She now completed, all Double stic, Drills and Application, and Single Stick Basic curriculum in Garimot Arnis.. I think, we can compete to other Ma school out there if we are determine to do such adjustment of our training procedures. Okay, just my 2 cent on the question, and share my experienced. Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research Center USA ------------------------------ From: Luis Pellicer III Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 10:51:58 +0800 Subject: eskrima: Mime-Version: 1.0 >I've seen a ton of kids in Judo or Taekwondo or Karate-ish or Kung-fu schools, >but not many in FMA schools. I suspect that I know why that is, but what is >your experience? Do you have kids in your school? > >Ray Terry > Did at one time but stopped. Got called into school when my daugter was being bullied by an older male schoolmate. Had her "playing" with sticks at three, seemed like she decided to "play" again using her little umbrella with a #1 to the other kids head. I think he was more shocked than hurt, but I was told he was puking for an hour afterwards and screaming like a stuck pig. Had to tone my little girl down, at least till she gets a little older and understands appropiate force. She looks so harmless too, with her blonde curls & blue eyes...:) In some areas of the bicol region I know they include it as part of thier physical education curriculum from grade school. They use sugar cane as bastons as it's alot more available and cheaper than rattan. ------------------------------ From: Bladewerkrr@aol.com Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 09:14:49 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #453 In a message dated 10/12/01 6:59:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << How many of you teach kids (say under 13) eskrima, sticks and blade stuff? Or are in a school in which that occurs? >> For me I didn't, exactly. I did not teach stick or blade but I do incorporate some things such as angles of attack, zoning etc. Several years ago I stopped teaching anyone under 18 period, partly due to insurance reasons but mostly because I am getting too old to deal with the parents. In a lot of cases they are worse than little league parents. Also, I will not promote someone just because they show up, and parents for the most part seem to think that they are paying you, so the kid ought to advance. Even now, I make the person do kickboxing for a few months first. That way I can assess whether they are stable enough for me to feel comfortable teaching them something lethal. As you can tell, I do not depend on this for a living, so I have the luxury of taking this course. On the other hand I am never gonna have a $250,000.00 a year martial arts business either. Bear ------------------------------ From: FGS & KVF Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 20:54:45 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: The Gathering If anyone is interested in attending next year's event, it will be held in Chicago on the last weekend of Sept. The website with info is: www.collectivesociety.com Or you can call the American Academy of MA in Westmont, Ill at (630) 852-4422 for more info on price, times, schedule, instructors etc. This year's event had Grandmaster Vincent Cabales, Shihan Mark Sheeley, one of Prof. Nick Cerio's senior students, Honshi Bruce Jutnik, Shihan Michael Brown, Master Michael DeAlba, Sifu Mike Young, Carlito Barak, Grandmaster Frank Sanchez and many others. It is well worth attending if you can! Spunky P.S. the www.gathering2002.com is a dud, sorry, but the other site is to the people staging it next year. ------------------------------ From: Joe Tesoro Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 21:41:22 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re:FMA to kids Ray, I have a student that started with me on privates when she was eleven. I moved her to the class awhile ago. She is 13 now. She really loves Eskrima. Everyone in the class really respects and admires her abilities. Also, I have a private student that is under 10. He is doing surprising well for his age. Joe > >From: Ray Terry >Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 19:21:59 PDT >Subject: eskrima: FMA to kids? > >I'm curious... > >How many of you teach kids (say under 13) eskrima, sticks and blade stuff? >Or are in a school in which that occurs? > >I've seen a ton of kids in Judo or Taekwondo or Karate-ish or Kung-fu schools, >but not many in FMA schools. I suspect that I know why that is, but what is >your experience? Do you have kids in your school? > >Ray Terry >raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "jose saguisabal" Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 22:04:09 -0700 Subject: eskrima: FMAs to kids No, I haven't seen any FMA schools that taught small children with the ages that TKD schools do. But then again, I haven't seen that many FMA schools. :-) I have seen a lot of TKD/Kenpo schools that offer Arnis Eskrima with small kids, but no knife-just sticks. If I were a parent I would be awfully leerie of a school that taught knife fighting to 10 year olds... IMHO, Jay Make a difference, help support the relief efforts in the U.S. http://clubs.lycos.com/live/events/september11.asp ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 22:02:32 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Consider the source? > Greetings... > > A couple asked me for this post. Sorry for the daily, took me awhile to find the address again. > > http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=24831 > > Mitakuye Oyasin. > > Be well, > Mik Woof Mik: This is at variance from other things I have been reading. How would you summarize the dependability and biases of this source? I am not familiar with it. Crafty Dog ------------------------------ From: "Bill Lowery" Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 11:39:24 +0100 Subject: eskrima: Re: FMA to kids? Hi Ray, I've got a couple of students under 13, (I've had others but at present just the two). I teach empty hand and sticks, no knives. The thing most parents are twitchy about is their darlings learning how to cut people. No amount of explaining that they will learn how not to be cut doesn't work. Coordination is the most important thing initially, followed by the ability to defend. Parents often look at the defense aspect first and have to be educated that their children often cannot hold a stable stance yet and so need that before they have a chance of protecting themselves. Bill ------------------------------ From: Pngreiff@aol.com Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 07:01:49 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #453 Ray, I have been studying with my 10 year old son (He remembers ALL the training stuff perfectly, I CAN"T - being a "geezer"!). While he is a "normal" 10 year old, ie Video Games, Action figures, honor roll entire school career, our group reinforces the discipline/self control/respect aspects to him regularly. He has also learned CPR and First Aid (I teach for the American Red Cross)and has been able to demonstrate the skills fluently since trained about two years ago. I hate to sound like a bragging father, (okay - I AM one !) but feel FMA/IMA can definately work for kids that show the interest. Just don't push too hard and give them breathing room for other activities. Be Safe, Pete Reiff ------------------------------ From: rich parsons Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 08:26:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Kids and Non FMA 'Bert' Hi to all, ;~) On the subject of kids, in FMA. Our school has taught kids from 13 - 17 when one of the parents was also in the class. I was also asked to teach some kids and did open a kids class, but I told the parents that I was going to drop the sticks and blades, etc, until much later. This meant a reversal of what I believe is how most traditional FMA's teach. They teach the Stick and Blade and then empty hand, where I was translating all the techniques I could to just empty hand. The class did not last long, the kids became more interested in wrestling ;~), leagues at school. I do know of a schol near me that includes stick trainging for the kids, but is very basic, simple stricks and blocks. This is my limited experience. ***** Non FMA - there is a site called www.evilbert.com they alter pictures to put bert into some of history's most interesting events captures on film or photo. Just to be forewarned the site also offers adult bert activity also, so please be responsible. ;~) Rich Parsons __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! 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