From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #470 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thur, 25 Oct 2001 Vol 08 : Num 470 In this issue: eskrima: more Fuller stuff eskrima: Re: "Blood Grooves" eskrima: Congrats! eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1200 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). http://InayanEskrima.com http://Inayan.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 9:44:00 PDT Subject: eskrima: more Fuller stuff > The suction release issue is valid because it also was evident in Civil war > Bayonets which where triangular in shape to promote open wounds that would > infect (and I thing they were easier to make quickly in mass production at > the time) BUT I have seen examples that have one side of the triange that is > curved like a blood groove. Just as a mental exercise, consider a blade entering a body of an animal. Given the moist density of the inner body the Fuller might even slightly - -increase- the force required to remove the blade. Just as the bodily material would in many cases form around the blade upon insertion, in those same cases it would most likely also enter into the groove provided by the Fuller. This would then increase, but perhaps only slightly, the body's "hold" on the blade. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Buz Grover" Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:41:38 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re: "Blood Grooves" I agree with those who think fullers have more to do with retaining structural strength while ridding the blade of some weight rather than as some sort of pressure relief mechanism. I stuck a lot of different kinds of blade into a lot of, admittedly non-living, chunks of meat and, with a couple of exceptions, did not notice a difference between withdrawing blades with and without a fuller. The exceptions involved blades with broad profiles like French knives or kukris where surface tension against a broad, thin blade and the difficulty rotating a broad blade along its long axis to release said tension made it harder to withdraw the blade. Indeed, I think one of the things missing from this discussion is what you do with a blade once it's stuck in a target. Fuller or no fuller, once you've stuck a blade into something, there is still work to be done: you can do about as much damage on the way out as on the way in, and if you're targeting something specific like the sub clavial you can increase your likelihood of catching it. Bottom line is I think discussions of what knife design is easiest to pull out of a target are not as useful as discussions of how to keep doing damage on the way out. Ironically, the only experience I have sticking a non-fullered blade into something living is the reason I started training FMA. Picked up one of those 26 inch 440 C wakizashi knock offs on Ebay a couple years back. I was playing Highlander with the sword one evening when, in the wrong lead, I managed to stick it into my thigh pretty deeply. The blade withdrew very nicely, I must say, and the muscle did not contract around it. Next couple of days I started shopping around for an MA school that taught 26 inch weapons; stopped by an FMA academy, and have been training ever since. Regards, Buz Grover ------------------------------ From: "Michael Milazzo" Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 23:02:22 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Congrats! I would like to offer my congratulations to Datu Hartman who has been named "Arnis Master of the Year 2001" by the North American Black Belt Hall of Fame. In addition, Datu Hartman accepted a memorial award for Grand Master Remy Presas on behalf of the Presas family and the Arnis community. The Professor would have been proud... -- Michael Milazzo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 21:11:19 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #470 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11!