From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #484 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Mon, 5 Nov 2001 Vol 08 : Num 484 In this issue: eskrima: Kukri eskrima: more on kukris eskrima: Muslim vs. Hindu Silat/Kali eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1200 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). http://InayanEskrima.com http://Inayan.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jkm918@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 19:32:32 EST Subject: eskrima: Kukri My understanding is that the notch on a Kukri is for blood letting - it's for letting the blood of your enemy drip off of the blade before it gets to your grip and your blade slips out of your hand - very practical. Jeanette In Chun wrote: > Are folks talking about the notch on the choil of the blade? Called a > Spanish notch if on a Bowie knife? While that is called a blood letting > notch on a Kukri, it really has nothing to do blood letting. As others have > indicated, that is really a myth. A kukri is a utility knife, used frequently > thru the day for a variety of tasks. Supposedly the notch is a very old part > of the kukri blade design and is there to give respect to their God. "From what I have been told, the notch at the base of the blade on a Kukri is religious symbolism. It is a cutout of the shape of the tines of a trident and is supposed to represent the Trident of Shiva. As for practicality... I haven't the foggiest." ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 17:25:25 PST Subject: eskrima: more on kukris If you have an old kukri, the most common problem you'll encounter is that the butt-plate will come loose from the end of the hilt. Epoxy will usually fix that. The two other blades found in the kukri sheath that I previously refered to are named the karda and the chakmak. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 20:54:02 PST Subject: eskrima: Muslim vs. Hindu Silat/Kali Forwarding from Pak Vic... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com =================================================================== Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:04:38 -1000 Subject: eskrima: Muslim vs. Hindu Silat/Kali forms Does anyone know how much different Silat practitioners of Muslim faith fight compared with Silat practitioners of Hindu or Christian faith? >>I am a student of all faiths, a fight? a fight is a fight, when two or three or more folks can not agree and go beyond communication and as humans do to the end, they fight. how does a blade cut look like? all the same for one, a cut Do their weapons have the same designs? Do their philosophies vary a little or a lot? Did non-Muslim fighters have a "Juramentado" in their vocabulary? >>Not all Silat is not Muslim based from Indonesia, Silat Serak is certainly not. To the end, what does religion has to do with Silat. Not unless the practitioner or any Perguruan makes it so. In the VDT Academy, no religion attached, justy learn and train. I always wondered how much Philippine Silat differed from Silat styles from Java or Bali for example. I am wondering if those differences are not only due to geography but also do to religion, also. >>Good question. Right after the Mojopahit the 10 Dato's left for the Phillipines and only one returned. They all came from Sumatra, Borneo, Celebes and Java and also Bali These were Indo-Malay folks, so the weaponary are not that much different. Sticks, stafs, keris etc etc except the Keris Makers, Java Keris are the finest Woodworking it is a toss up between Japara and Bali Look at Tagalog or Visian, or behasa Indonesia or Malayu from Malaysia Language are very distinct and close. speak slow and we can understand each other. The Philipine lots mixed, so is Bahasa Like Lima, for 5 or empat or Upat for 4 or the spanish infleunce Pantalon, (Pants) Pendera for flag Food, very close. the Lumpia from the Phillipines are nice and small very tasty, verses the larger Indonesian kind The end result is, weaonary, food, we come up from the same gene pool Hormat Pak Vic ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 7:47:05 PST Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #484 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11!