From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #500 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Wed, 21 Nov 2001 Vol 08 : Num 500 In this issue: eskrima: New Age Juramentados Re: eskrima: turmoil in P.I. eskrima: Mime-Version: 1.0 eskrima: Re: serrada instructor eskrima: Mime-Version: 1.0 eskrima: Happy Thanksgiving ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1200 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). http://InayanEskrima.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Meadows Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 14:37:31 -0800 Subject: eskrima: New Age Juramentados Greetings: Regarding the comment last issue: " I wonder how US troops would hold up against Islamic guerilla fighters in Mindinao (sp?) If such did happen,it would definitely seem that history is definitely repeating itself." I am guessing the result would be the same as the last time we did something similar: The US military would have to test new handguns to upgrade from the .45 caliber . Probably have to go to a .65 automatic...a handful of a gun but REAL useful against the Juramentado types..... Tom Meadows ------------------------------ From: Terry Tippie Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 17:08:42 -0800 Subject: Re: eskrima: turmoil in P.I. History repeating itself. Hmmm...I hope not. The history of the Spanish American War as it effected the Filipino population is pretty brutal. 20 percent of the population of the Philippines perished as part of America's effort to pacify the country between 1898 and 190X, either in combat or from starvation that resulted from the war's disruptive effects on local economies. There was an article printed in the "Atlantic Monthly" about five years ago that published a previously unpublished letter from Mark Twain in which he registered a passionate humanitarian objection to America's war in the Philippines. Apparently, Twain's viewpoint was rare and uncharacteristic of popular American opinion of the day. At the time I read the article, my thoughts projected the consequences of a 20% mortality rate onto the current population of the United States. I was surprised that subsequent Filipino attitudes towards America weren't more hostile. Actually, if there are any history buffs out there it might be a good subject to expand on. Respectfully, Terry Tippie Pacifica, CA USA From: "Walter Vorhauer" >Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:56:10 -0800 >Subject: eskrima: turmoil in P.I. >Greetings to all, > >After reading the article that was sent in by the gentleman which >gave details of the political stability within the Philipines, it would >seem that they (the Abu Sayyef orginization) maybe be targeted for US >involvement. A few weeks back, I was listening to a radio program and >a guy called in and stated his opinion that the US would be bombing or >take some type of action within the polynesian/Indonesia area and surrounding >islands as well. At first when I heard this I was like "Why would the >US have interests in involving themselves in the situation with the Philipine >islands, or any other islands within the surrounding area anyway???" >After reading the article in the digest, I began to think that Bush >may wish to wipe out the terrorist threat within the islands if Al-Qaida >is closely involved with Abu Sayyef. Of course, alot of media speculation >is that Iraq with be next on the list of terrorist-sponsering nations >that the US will hit next though. I wonder how US troops would hold up >against Islamic guerilla fighters in Mindinao (sp?) If such did happen, >it would definetly seem that history is definetly repeating itself. > >Walter V. ------------------------------ From: Luis Pellicer III Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:18:02 +0800 Subject: eskrima: Mime-Version: 1.0 >I wonder how US troops would hold up >against Islamic guerilla fighters in Mindinao (sp?) If such did happen, >it would definetly seem that history is definetly repeating itself. > > Walter V. > U.S. SF guys have been here doing it for several weeks now. I understand that they've been kicking ass too. This has been against the Abu Sayaff. There is nothing religious about the fight that has just recently made news. Elections for The Autonomous Region of Muslim Mindanao are up, (Most of Mindanao is christian, the muslim area is the northwest section of the island with a some small islands off the coast)the previous Governor is no longer supported by the Arroyo Administration as he has tens of millions of dollars unaccounted for. The government thinks the current Governor is incompetent and a crook who isn't even smart enough to cover his tracks, the current Governor doesn't want to take his hand out of the cookie jar. The Government is supporting another former Muslim rebel leader in the Gubernadorial race, the current Governor is throwing a tantrum and starting a revolt. Since the current Governor doesn't have a wide support base he is looking to hook up with anyone who will support his sorry ass, in this case the Abu Sayaff. (Who are considered bandits more than rebels) The way modern warfare is fought, and given the fact that the Moros represent a VERY small minority, (Aside from the tribal factions, going on amongst themselves)the fight wouldn't be close. They win by whacking you when you turn your backs on them. Thier abilities haven't changed much in the last 100 years. All it takes is some guts and resolve on the governments part, and military commanders not willing to take bribes to let them off the hook when they are surrounded. (as they have done fairly recently) ------------------------------ From: Steve Klement Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 00:21:07 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: serrada instructor As Ray was saying, Masirib Guro Emanuel Hart would be a very good person to seek out in regard to Inayan Serrada. He can be best reached at: hart@inayaneskrima.com Or, you can even see most of his scheduled seminar tour on the Inayan Systems International web site. The URL is: http://inayaneskrima.com - -- Steve Klement Masirib Guro www.inayaneskrima.com klement@inayaneskrima.com Inayan Systems International > From: Ray Terry > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 9:15:56 PST > Subject: Re: eskrima: serrada instructor > >> a close friend of mine is moving to Kaiserslautern(Germany) and he is >> interessted in eskrima. I suggested to search for a good instuctor how can >> teach him the art seriously. I searched the net and found a serrada >> instructor, named Emmanuel Atento. >> My question, does anyone knows this man? Should my friend visit his >> training, cause he never learned any kind of martial art before. I don't >> want that he is going to be cheated or something else. > > I don't know of Mr. Atento. But the top person in Inayan Serrada, Masirib > Guro Emanuel Hart, is currently living and teaching in Germany. The best > way to get to him is via email to guro25@hotmail.com. > > Good luck. > > Ray Terry > raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Luis Pellicer III Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 14:39:11 +0800 Subject: eskrima: Mime-Version: 1.0 Philippine Daily Inquirer Editorial. (Highest circulation Filipino broadsheet, known for no BS reporting) Read it after my last post & thought it was worth sending over. Misuari's new war MORO rebels loyal to Nur Misuari launched almost simultaneous surprise attacks on four military installations in Jolo early Monday morning and got the surprise of their lives when government troops fought back like they had been waiting in ambush. After a relatively successful first attack on a military outpost in Indanan, Sulu that saw three Army Scout Rangers killed, the other engagements ended in a virtual rout for the rebels, going by military accounts. Only one other soldier was killed later that day,while the rebels counted 48 dead as night fell. Seven civilians were also killed by mortar fired by the rebels, the military said. Most of the dead were found in the periphery of the Philippine Army's 104th Infantry Brigade headquarters in Jolo. Some 200 Moro National Liberation Front fighters tried to overrun the brigade headquarters but found the government troops prepared to repulse any attack. An Army spokesperson said the troops took a ‘‘very good defensive position'' following reports that Misuari's forces had linked up with the Abu Sayyaf, the notorious bandit group that has terrorized tourists, Christian missionaries and even plain folks by engaging in kidnapping and torturing and beheading some of their hostages. And what is it that Misuari and his loyal troops are fighting for this time? Abdurahman Jamasali, a Misuari aide, said the attacks were meant to stop the holding of elections for various positions in the Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao scheduled on Nov. 26. Misuari, the incumbent ARMM governor, wants to keep the post but he is not standing for reelection. Obviously Misuari has become addicted to power and all the perks and privileges of high public office. As ARMM governor and chair of the Southern Philippine Council for Peace and Development, he not only wielded more powers than provincial governors but also had control over the disbursement of billions of pesos in government funds and foreign assistance for the development of the country's poorest region. And he was living like an oil sheik, blocking off several rooms in five-star hotels for his large retinue whenever he came to Manila—all paid for with government funds, of course. To keep all this, however, Misuari had to win reelection. And that was an impossibility. As early as June last year, the four governors of the provinces comprising the ARMM--all of them Misuari's former MNLF comrades--were demanding that elections be held so that a new ARMM governor would be elected. They said the postponement of the elections was only prolonging the sufferings of the people in the ARMM because very few programs and projects were being undertaken for their benefit by Misuari. In May this year, Misuari was booted out as MNLF chair by the top leadership of the MNLF. The following month he was stripped of the SPCPD chairmanship. And a few months later, the administration announced that it was fielding as its candidate for ARMM governor the new MNLF chair, Parouk Hussin. Malacañang tried to appease Misuari by offering him an ambassadorial post, but he would have none of it. For him, it was either the ARMM governorship or nothing. That position had been handed to him on a silver platter in 1996 by the Ramos administration in exchange for his abandoning the struggle for secession. He had managed to keep it by browbeating the national government into postponing several times the elections that should have been held in September 1999. Now the Macapagal administration is bent on holding the elections. But abandoned by his own leaders and Malacañang and criticized by his constituents for doing nothing, Misuari knew it was foolish to run. Seeing power and money slipping out of his hands, Misuari is playing his last card: war. But this time there is nothing even remotely idealistic about his goal. There is no more mention of establishing an independent Islamic state. There is no more talk about giving justice to the Bangsamoro people. It's all personal pique and spite for a government that he thought didn't give him his due. But then who would still consider him an Islamic revolutionary and freedom fighter after all that he has done? He couldn't even wait for the end of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan to launch his new war. Pity his poor loyal followers who continue to be mesmerized by his promises. He may have given some of them a brief taste of the comfortable life, but he couldn't lift his constituency out of their poverty or even improve their lives a little bit. Now he is again leading them to the slaughter, and all because he couldn't be their leader for life. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 7:03:11 PST Subject: eskrima: Happy Thanksgiving May you all have a happy Thanksgiving. 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