From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #502 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thur, 22 Nov 2001 Vol 08 : Num 502 In this issue: eskrima: Confused eskrima: Mime-Version: 1.0 eskrima: Mime-Version: 1.0 re: eskrima: Confused eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #501 Military activity in the Phillipines eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1200 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). http://InayanEskrima.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marc Denny" Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 17:05:51 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Confused > Greetings, > > Okay, now I'm really confused!! Now Abu Sayaff is just a bunch of > bandits, that much I know. They have ties to Al-Qaida, or at least that > is what I seem to gather from several of the news post that have been > posted on the digest. So far, so good. > Now, who are these other 2 factions, the Islamic Liberation Front > (sp?) and the other faction (who's name I can't think of right now?)? > What are their ties to Abu Sayaff, if any?? > And to the gentlman who stated that U.S. SF were already there doing > there thing, you say they've been there for several weeks now taking > on Abu Sayyaf bandits, do you know their main objective (the U.S. SF) > as a whole, were they invited by the philipine government, did the US > government cut a deal with the philipine government to send troops over > there?? And are U.S. SF there just to control the situation or curve > the violence or what?? Could someone please clear up my confusion?? > Thank you > > Walter V. Woof Walter: You're not the only one who is confused. There is a thread just starting on the new Forum on our website www.dogbrothers.com concerning Al Qaeda fighters fleeing Afghanistan going to the Philippines amongst other places. Come on by anyone who would like to follow this without the necessary subject limitations of this martial art list. Woof, Crafty Dog PS: Thanks all for the in-country responses to my posting of the Stratfor piece. ------------------------------ From: Luis Pellicer III Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 10:11:19 +0800 Subject: eskrima: Mime-Version: 1.0 >Now, who are these other 2 factions, the Islamic Liberation Front >(sp?) and the other faction (who's name I can't think of right now?)? > What are their ties to Abu Sayaff, if any?? > It started with the Moro Islamic Liberation Front, looking to establish a separate Muslim state. Since they can't even get along with themselves, it was just a matter of time before the MNLF factionalized and another group, the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF)was formed. All these guys receive support in one way or another from Islamic Extremist groups, Middle Eastern,Malaysian, where ever. The Abu Sayaff is a splinter of this, realizing they could make $'s through banditry, using Islamic ideals as a front. >And to the gentlman who stated that U.S. SF were already there doing >there thing, you say they've been there for several weeks now taking >on Abu Sayyaf bandits, do you know their main objective (the U.S. SF) >as a whole, were they invited by the philipine government, did the US >government cut a deal with the philipine government to send troops over >there?? And are U.S. SF there just to control the situation or curve >the violence or what?? Could someone please clear up my confusion?? > Thank you > The Abu Sayaff are still holding two American hostages, an older couple. They beheaded another American hostage a couple of months ago screaming for the US to come in and take them on. Despite the fact that they run like rabbits from any encounter, and are only capable of killing anybody when it is an ambush. There will be hell to pay for this. It is against the Philippine Constitution for any foreign troops to be directly involved in any military operations on Philippine soil, they can only act as "advisers". Given the fact that the areas where these encounters are taking place are in the boonies, what people don't see won't hurt them. The philippines holds joint military exercises with the US under the mutual defense treaty, it has just gotten over 4 billion $ in military and economic aid from the US for its support for the US in the anti-terrorism campaign. It's in the interests of both countries to stick together. The way things look, the Philippines is the only staunch ally of the US in South East Asia, and it does need US economic and military support. I've held a high regard for the Moro fighters when compared to what training regular CIVILIANS go through. A moro "civilian" who lives with a rifle in his hands is going to have a different mind-set from the typical weekend warrior. Against an organized, well-equipped military force it is another thing all together. This isn't a hundred years ago, ballistics have changed. A moro juramentado isn't going to get hit by a little round nosed .38 caliber round traveling close to air rifle velocities. Earlier this year a group of Mindanao-based Christian "juramentados" called the Tad-Tad (literally meaning chop-chop, using thier bolos) found this out. This group was founded to fight moro rebels, they've gone thier own way now, but are still FEARED by thier moro enemies. Despite thier "anting-antings" (who's powers they were so proud to demonstrate in front of tv cameras) they played a part in what was the most brutal piece of stupidity ever seen on national television. They charged soldiers with M-16's using thier blades. It was a bloody, pathetic, turkey shoot. ------------------------------ From: Luis Pellicer III Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 10:12:39 +0800 Subject: eskrima: Mime-Version: 1.0 Soory, it started with the Moro National Liberation Front. (MNLF) ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:56:29 PST Subject: re: eskrima: Confused > ... Al Qaeda fighters fleeing Afghanistan going to the Philippines > amongst other places. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ That would make it a valid topic for our list. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Jjj123asd@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 13:36:12 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #501 Military activity in the Phillipines To the best of my knowledge, there is no large scale U.S. activity is the country. This is because the U.S. has no interest in the area as a military objective at this time. Social events play out slowly. Don't be surprised to see it in the future but this is not the time. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 13:35:54 PST Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #502 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11!