From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #510 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thur, 29 Nov 2001 Vol 08 : Num 510 In this issue: eskrima: Training your own child eskrima: Dog Brothers Gathering eskrima: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:___Note:_Teaching_FMA_to_children=22_?= BOUNCE eskrima: Non-member submission from (fwd) Re: eskrima: Re: Research on FMA (the wrong way) Re: eskrima: Re: Research on FMA eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1200 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). http://InayanEskrima.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "WILLIAM MCGRATH" Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 17:23:45 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Training your own child RE: Training your own child. As a new dad, this is a subject near and dear to my heart. However after 20+ years of teaching, when it comes to teaching a young child I am a novice. I have some ideas, but I would really appreciate hearing from some experienced eskrimador/fathers on the subject (or perhaps sons trained by their own eskrimador dads and what they remember from their early days of training). I have a 6AM flight to a seminar tomorrow. So it may take a while for me to respond. Regards, Tuhon Bill McGrath PS. For those of you who have stick sparring in your kids classes. How did you handle coverage for this with your insurance company? Visit the PTI web site at: http://www.pekiti-tirsia.com/index.html ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:24:51 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Dog Brothers Gathering Woof All: Just a reminder that the "Dog Brothers Gathering of the Pack" will be held this Sunday at the RAW gym in El Segundo, CA. 310-322-5552 or go to www.Dogbrothers.com for info, map, etc. Woof, Crafty Dog Guiding Force of the Dog Brothers ------------------------------ From: "johnaleen" Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:05:10 -0500 Subject: eskrima: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:___Note:_Teaching_FMA_to_children=22_?= Yes, children can benefit from the FMA, but like Jason states, the order of what is taught and how it is taught has to be looked at and redesigned for classes that teach only children in it, especially if their parents do not participate in the class with them. I do not have a children's class, and I doubt I will ever teach a strictly children's class in FMA. This is my choice and I do it for my reasons. It is not right or wrong. It is my way. Each teacher has their own format and acceptability levels for teaching a children's class in FMA. As long as all the variables for teaching a children's class are been taken into account when designing the class" as Jason and his wife have done" then FMA can be taught successfully and without major problems with the children. I have taught and do teach children though in my Level one Mixed FMA Class, but I have a policy for the ones that I do allow in. 1) You must be over 12 years old 2) You must have a partner; this needs to be either one of your parents or older brothers or sisters that are over the age of 16. I adopted this format of only teaching children with a parent or older sibling for a number of reasons. 1) One of them is because of the huge issues and responsibility that teaching a weapons based art to a child in tales. But if its taught to a parent at the same time as the Childs partner, or in the class together with them. Then everyone ends up with huge benefits, as well as bringing the child and there parent something to learn together and bond with. 2) Its also very traditional of FMA and keeping the art in family, where its trained together in the family. The responsibly is taught to both the parents and the children. 3) In my classes you will never see mothers or fathers sitting on the sidelines knitting or chatting. I do not allow spectators only participants. 4) Only teachers have uniforms, for students, there is a dress code of sweats and a fate t-shirt " that is never enforced " 5) As far as encouragement of the under 18 year old students. I do not belt or rank anyone under the age of 18. The children receive hour's certificates, every 30 hours of completed training; they receive a one-hour gift certificate for a private session with any of our teachers. Including me, the one-hour class that is offered covers any of the things we teach, not only FMA. Therefore, they can choose what they would like. One of my students always opted for a Espada ya daga on the beach. he was 14 though 6) The belting and ranking system I have developed for the program is not in place as encouragement. Its only there for teaching the art and passing it on. So if your not going to teach. There is no reason to bother belting or ranking in it. It takes over a year to even make level one in the system. Again, it is heavily formatted for teaching, it is not based solely on your ability to whoop up or spar. 7) Children's school grades are tied into taking class with us. If they do not keep their, grades up or they get into trouble at school from using the art inappropriately, they are suspended the first month and have to sit on the sidelines and watch the class instead of participate. If the offence of using the art in school inappropriately comes up a second time. Your not allowed back. Is this the only way to do it? No no no but it is the way I do it. Moreover, I believe my reasons are sound based on my experience and my acceptability levels. Ms. J.. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 18:10:04 PST Subject: BOUNCE eskrima: Non-member submission from (fwd) Forwarded message: From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Fr=F6hlich=2C_Christof=22?= To: "'eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com'" Subject: Steve Tarani Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 18:21:27 +0100 Greetings to everybody on the forum. I'm trying to get in contact with Guro Steve Tarani. His HP www.westcoastacademy.com is currently not available. Can anybody help me to get in contact with him? Thanks Christof Froehlich Student of Lameco Arnis Club Frankfurt, Germany under Guro Wolfgang Mueller ------------------------------ From: Steve Klement Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 20:38:32 -0500 Subject: Re: eskrima: Re: Research on FMA (the wrong way) Believe me Mr. Grover, we have tried!!! Apparently through e-mail volley's with one of my fellow Inayan Guro's he assumes that because you are an Instructor of the arts and your name appears in public that he has full and unconditional access to you and your knowledge. The ISI (as most FMA Instructors are) is a little bit more selective in who we put our energy into. My brother Inayan Guro tried being (very) polite at first. When he was then met with insults of an unbelievable proportion and the flaming of our website's guestbook, the IBE council collectively decided he in no longer welcome to any future ISI or IFE engagements of any level - EVER. That is how bad it got and that is sad. Steve Klement Masirib Guro www.inayaneskrima.com klement@inayaneskrima.com Inayan Systems International >> From: "Buz Grover" >> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:13:19 -0500 >> Subject: eskrima: Re: Research on FMA >> >> The quote begins: >> >> Hi; >>> I'm doing research on the various FMA's and I found your address on the >>> internet when I was searching Eskrima topics. Is there any advice you can >>> give a beginner in Serrada but who is open to other styles? I would like to >>> hear your opinions on what I should do training wise, what I should look for >>> in books/videos and lastly, what kind of gear I should own to train with? >>> I'm also looking to do a live stick tournament at some point. I would >>> appreciate any advice on that and what kind of gear I would need to use/own >>> to do it, especially the WEKAF style. Thanks again for any help that you >>> can provide and I hope you'll reply and help me out. > > >> Think I got five or six identical inquiries from this gent over the course of >> several months. Replied to the first one and have been trashing the rest. Are >> other folks dealing with repeat requests? If so it might be time to ask him >> to alter his research methods. >> >> Regards, >> >> Buz Grover ------------------------------ From: "Buz Grover" Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 14:19:22 -0500 Subject: Re: eskrima: Re: Research on FMA Don asks: <> I reply: Hmm, this issue is inspiring histrionics that mystify me. Email is an important element of both my vocational and personal life. As such, I try to be, and expect others to be, good citizens of the internet. Being a good citizen involves a lot of things: not proliferating virus hoaxes; writing in a manner that demonstrates you stayed awake in high school English class, and not filling people's inboxes with the same piece of email over and over again, to name a few. The term for unsolicited messages that are mass emailed is spam. In my corner of the internet universe, spam is considered a bad thing. It wastes time, it often tries to stick its hand in your wallet, it tries to get you to do things you normally wouldn't do. In the current context, perhaps the first message I received, and replied to, was not spam. Perhaps the second identical message was some sort of clerical error. The third, fourth, fifth, and so on looks like spam to me. All the folks who have contacted me privately to report a similar experience confirm my assessment. I once tried to battle spammers by asking to be removed from their solicitation list. For my efforts, I received more spam. Now I just trash the stuff unread. I'm not sure what the term for the mishmash of non sequitors quoted above should be. Whatever the case, my ends are not to trash a person, but rather report and perhaps modify a behavior. Rest assured that, as a former chef known for his acid tongue, I can sling invective with the best of 'em; the trashing you object to certainly doesn't measure up as one by any standard I respect. It certainly doesn't compare to the half-formed nastiness you pointed my direction, for instance. I'm also not sure how an email address goes about "soliciting comments;" don't see what suffering spam has to do with keeping martial arts alive; don't instruct others as I'm years away from being qualified to do so and hence will confine my soul searching to more productive venues. My opinion of the Digest differs from yours: I think it is a far more civil forum than most. Though people looking for trouble will find someone on the ED who will call their bluff and people who post half baked gibberish will be taken to task for doing so, for the most part civil discourse is the norm. As for the convolutions with which you conclude your screed, my background doesn't keep me from recognizing spam when I see it and calling it by it's true name. I'm not sure how an email message sent multiple times to who knows how many people qualifies as "private," the response hardly contains anything personal, the only issue seems to be one of having an email address publicly posted. Gee, maybe he's concerned someone will get his email address and send him multiple copies of the same message. Or be identified as a person who does just that. . . . Whatever the case, it is certainly interesting to encounter someone who holds spam in high regard. If you'd like, I'll forward you all the internet Viagra ads, fun with barnyard friends video offers, work from home employment opportunities, et al ad nauseum that come my way. You could then respond to them in the manner your high moral dander dictates. Buz Grover P.S. Hey Ray: Maybe we could assemble all the responses to the bit of spam that inspired all this fun and post 'em with your FAQs. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 19:03:39 PST Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #510 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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