From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #517 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Tues, 4 Dec 2001 Vol 08 : Num 517 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Balisong Openings eskrima: Hi Deiter eskrima: The Last Sayoc Kali Seminar for the year 2001! eskrima: Re: Balisong eskrima: Re: FMA's vs, Karate, etc. eskrima: Differences between Modern Arnis & Kombatan eskrima: balisong openings eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). http://InayanEskrima.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Just This Guy Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 08:18:33 -0600 (CST) Subject: eskrima: Re: Balisong Openings Ok, this brings to mind a question I've had for years. What's the point of all these flashy Balisong openings? Is it simply to be intimidating and show one's prowess at flipping the thing around or is there a reason for it? Or is it that they are simply impossible to avoid messing with? One other thought I had is that like so many other filipino things, they are kind of arcane and require a lot of dexterity. Could it be that the balisong trains florettes? ------------------------------ From: Ray Langley Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 06:27:56 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Hi Deiter > Hi everybody, > > a student of mine is moving to Hong Kong and would like to keep up his FMA training. > He is beginner in Modern Arnis but any FMA would be fine. He is german and speaks > also english and kantonese I think (the language not commonly spoken in Hong Kong) > Any feedback would be apprecioated. > > You can e-amil me privately under: dk@abanico.de > > Thank you and best regards from Germany > > Dieter Hi Deiter, "Cantonese" is the language/dialect most commonly spoken in Hong Kong and Southern China. Mandarin is the dialect spoken most often on the Mainland. If your student speaks Cantonese, he should be able to find whatever he is looking for in Hong Kong, including martial arts.... :-) - -- Ray Langley, "Have Luo Pan, Will Travel!" ------------------------------ From: "Steven Lefebvre" Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 15:25:16 Subject: eskrima: The Last Sayoc Kali Seminar for the year 2001! The Last Sayoc Kali Seminar for the year 2001! For all of you who have shown interest in Sayoc Kali, here is the last chance to attend a seminar this year! There are also special Law Enforcement segments that will be held in the morning of each day. Don’t miss this opportunity to meet and train with Tuhon Christopher Sayoc, and members of the Sayoc Kali organization. Further details follow: SAYOC KALI KNIFE AWARENESS SEMINAR Hosted by KAPATID MARTIAL ARTS December 8th and 9th, 2001 10:00am to 4:00pm both days TRUMP TAJ MAHAL ATLANTIC CITY, NEW JERSEY For more information please call:(610) 747-0595 or Email: sayoc@sayoc.com Fee is $75/per day at the door Special Training for Law Enforcement Personnel Only: Call for morning schedule and reservations Gumagalang Steve L. (Kayan Isa Guro, Sayoc Kali) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: IMATC@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 11:42:07 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Balisong In a message dated 12/03/2001 9:14:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Mat Marinas gave a brief demo of his balisong skills, and they were impressive (at least to me). He also did double balisongs, with each hand doing a different opening, twirling and closing, as well as some aerial techniques. I don't know if he really can do 180+ different ways to open a balisong, I am a student of PG MArinas Sr and believe me he can!!! (Mat Marinas lives in the New York area.) Correction, He now resides in Virgina. Email me privately if you would like his contact info. Also, when you asked the individual reader how many different ways he can open (and presumably manipulate, twirl, slash, thrust or otherwise deploy, and then close) the balisong, did you mean with a live blade or a trainer? He has also done self defense with balisong closed, defended while opening it, using the live blade to demonstrate, then latch it and throw the balisong at a tree at a distance and bullseye it!!! ------------------------------ From: Kes41355@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 15:56:10 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: FMA's vs, Karate, etc. Hi all, This will probably piss of a lot of folks here, but what the heck? Here we go.... I guess I am just a bit disheartened by the lack of respect that FMA practitioners continue to have for "those other martial arts." Whenever an example of what is considered to be a poor, ineffective, or less that evolved martial art is needed, Karate is mentioned, as those that practice Karate and related arts are seen to be poor, misguided, uninformed sheep, content to follow the masses rather than the select few. As a long time practitioner of both Eskrima and Karate, I travel in both circles. I find that Karateka are, almost without exception, respectful and open to other martial artists and their arts, whereas FMA practitioners, again almost without exception, look upon Karate with complete and utter disdain. I know of several Karate black belts that have my respect as complete and efficient fighters, and few FMA players who can actually fight, having no practical experience in sparring (damn, that's going to bring out the challenges, but so be it). Case in point,...an Eskrima club I used to belong to here in Fort Wayne was invited to visit an out of town Kyokushinkai Karate club. Before the meeting, the FMA players were strutting around saying that they couldn't wait to teach these Karate people all about "real fighting." I told them that they needed to rethink that, because Kyokushinkai people can be tough to deal with. Their response? "How bad can they be, they're Karate fighters, for God's sake?" Well, needless to say, each and every FMA player got their clocks cleaned, quite decisively, too, I might add. Granted, there are charlatans in Karate, but the field is much more open for FMA charlatans, (which I know of many), because of the general populations ignorance (and that is the FMA communities fault, not the public's). The fakes in Karate generally don't pass public scrutiny, because the public in well-informed about Karate, TKD, etc. Eskrima is still something exotic, and I have heard as many BS stories and false lineage's there as anywhere. I guess that what I am trying to say is that anytime we belittle another group, we diminish ourselves. There is room for everyone, and we need to be respectful of others' desires and needs...not everyone wants to be an Eskrimador. Martial arts still serve other purposes than to turn the average Joe into a commando warrior. Kim Satterfield ------------------------------ From: jon.mcdonald@harrisbank.com Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 15:23:09 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Differences between Modern Arnis & Kombatan Hi All, I'm a new student of the FMA (1 month) and I must say that this mailing list is a wonderful resource for me. Although they are not the style of FMA that I study, I have a question about Modern Arnis and Kombatan. What are the structural differences between the two styles? Do the styles have different attack and Defense strategies? Is their training structure/curicullum different? Do they place emphasis on different things? Any information would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Jon ------------------------------ From: Pete Sampogna Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 16:22:14 -0500 Subject: eskrima: balisong openings well being a student of Grandmaster Amante Marinas I can say I do about 110 openings with my list in front of me. Offhand without my list I do about 90. The real fun comes with mixed weapons. Balisong with Latigo, dikin, Yantok, hawakan, tabok tayok, lilik, palo, sword, lubid, cadena, and double balisong. Besides sel defense with each weapon; you must be able to shadow box, and free fight! With each weapon you must use the balisong and utilize the techniques of the other weapon. Great skill work Pete Sampogna 6 year Associate Instructor ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 14:33:41 PST Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #517 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11!