From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #525 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Sun, 9 Dec 2001 Vol 08 : Num 525 In this issue: eskrima: Palo Alto area instructor needed eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #524 eskrima: Earning the level and Grade eskrima: Re: Whose Art is Better eskrima: Re: Sayoc Kali Seminar report... eskrima: Cabca What is that real eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). http://InayanEskrima.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charles E. Dulin" Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 23:27:46 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Palo Alto area instructor needed I have two students who will be moving to the Palo Alto area early next year. They have about 4 years Modern Arnis experience, plus about the same in karate. If anyone can recomend a good instructor in the area I would appreciate it. You can post, or write me privately. Style is not important, though they would prefer a Filipino base. Chad Dulin tuite569@juno.com ------------------------------ From: Stickfighter27@cs.com Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 03:14:14 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #524 Reply to Eagle 556's Message....... I have had the opportunity to work out and train with Eagle556 (ROB) and Kes41355 (Kim S. ) and I will honestly say without a doubt I have had training from few other FMA'tist, and I will honeslty say I havnt had a fair basis for the FMA that I have had. Working with both Rob and Kim I have learnt a great deal, Although I have had a very limited time with Rob M. and several Lessons with Kim S. They are two very talented Martial Artist. I have not trained with alot of the great names, but I have trained with Guru Dan Inosanto and my old instructor Guru Bruce Ogle and friends I met thru Kim S. I have to say that in few lessons I have had with these individuals they have given me a basis or structure that I could not get from other instructors....... I can take what I get from Rob or Kim and work on that for a year and make improvements on old and new techniques.........In one afternoon with either of these two and for Rob being Kim's Instructor as well he can probably re-assure on anything I have stated that Rob has all the essentials to creating a great martial artist...........Rob M. and Kim S. is in my opinion top notch and as good as anyone I have trained with.....And again I havent trained with alot of the great names but for those that I have had the opportunity to work with they are just as good......if not better. I hope this isnt off the subject but some of the guys on this list that teach privatly dont get the respect they deserve so I had to say this for thier respect and loyalty to the FMA. Cory Ballinger Muncie, Indiana ------------------------------ From: Seraksatu@aol.com Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 11:30:10 EST Subject: eskrima: Earning the level and Grade Selamat all This some new updates from the VDT Academy We now have three (3) new Pembantu/Asisten Gurus (Assistant Instructors) Congratulations to these hard working Folks that truly earned their rank of Pembantu/Asisten Guru. The Three hour test was not an Easy One. These folks completed the required level test for Pembantu/Asisten Guru from the System of Pentjak Silat Serak Very view folks here in the United States have the information they have and tested for it and passed. From Jurus to Jurusan Sepak to Platforms and Open Blades to Sticks and multiple attackers with open Blades, to lectures that they gave of showing their teaching ability. Folks this is hours and hours of training that accumulate and transfer in to many of long hours. Remember it is the hours of training that counts that turn into real months and years of training. Average of 750 hours per year of training Mr. Ron Miller - Pembantu/Asisten Guru ( Assistant Instructor) Serak Miller Mr. John Simon - Pembantu/Asisten Guru Assitant Instructor) Serak Simon Mr. Chris Gielen - Pembantu/Asisten Guru (Assistant Instructor) Serak Gielen I congratulate all three of you and my hormat is to you folks, the future and preservation of the system of Silat Serak will be in good hands. Looking for their work and advancement in the Guru Mudah Level soon. Guru Dan Inosanto who earned the Rank of Guru Mudah in Pentjak Silat Serak on December of 200, is working toward his full Guru Level (Guru Tuan - Senior Instructor). His advancement is well noted from this amazing martial artist. His training toward that level at the VDT Academy is refreshing and a humbling experience for me. He accomplished the curriculem Silat of Serak He will have earned the Rank of Full Guru Tuan by May 31 of 2002. We will award his accomplishment Publicly at the Ring of Fire 2002 in Las Vegas Nevada. On June 29, 2002 Guru Dan is accomplishing this at the young age of 65, my hormat to this brother of mine. He will be one of the featured Instructors at the Ring of Fire 2002, on Jube 29 in Las Vegas, Nevada Honorable mention to these folks and their hard work in training/Passing for the Coach Level (Phase 3) John McCurry Greg Hunter Horatio Roderiquez Yes these folks shown their tenacity and heart . Hormat Pak Vic ------------------------------ From: "Buz Grover" Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 14:40:04 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: Whose Art is Better I've enjoyed the thread about whose art is better and agree that it's both prudent and polite to approach other arts with an open mind. With that said, I'm not willing to concede all arts are equally worthy of study. Some arts work better for me than others; I think there are several criteria that determine how well I'll do with a given art: 1. Utility. I'm quite utilitarian by nature and thus have a hard time mustering the patience to endure the esoteric in the hope of a utilitarian payoff. A lot of arts seem more interested in preserving and conveying their esoteric elements instead of teaching street applicable technique from the get go. Though I understand there are many reasons for taking this sort of approach, the approach doesn't work very well for me. 2. Dependence on rote learning. As near as I can tell, I'm not hardwired for rote learning; I need context, a matrix within which I can fit new data or the new data simply doesn't stick. Particularly at beginning levels, some arts are highly dependent on learning divorced from context. I've not had a lot of success learning sans real world application, though I understand some arts and instructors want students to pay rote dues before they get to the real deal. 3. Lumps. Speaking of utility and real world application, nothing drives home a lesson like a sensibly delivered set of lumps. Smack, keep your guard up. Smack, don't over parry. Smack, keep the stick in motion. Some arts wait quite some time before students are consistently exposed to contact, others, particularly of the strip mall variety, don't want to contend with litigation and so avoid realistic contact altogether. In my case though, as one instructor in particular has noted, nothing communicates the utility of a principle as quickly as the right set of lumps. 4. Orthodoxy. I'm not very good at dealing with hidebound convention, my usual reaction to "Though Shalts" is "why the hell should I?" Some arts expect you to buy into an unquestioned belief set, an expectation that doesn't sit very well with heretics like me. With that said, had I abandoned utility, stuck with the rote learning, waited until I was deeper into an art before seeking out lumps, and smiled and nodded through the orthodoxy I'd probably be more that the mediocre martial artist I am today. Alas, I don't have that kind of patience. As I finally discovered when I went back in my mid 30's for an undergraduate degree, I put things together in a different manner than my peers, a manner much more holistic than the cram it in, regurgitate it out and then move on norm of other undergrads. The net result it that it takes me longer to put things together, but once I have it, it's mine for all time. Wish to heck I'd figured that out before high school and I parted ways. Whatever the case, now that I have a handle on what learning styles work for me, I seek out learning experiences that play to my strengths rather than my weaknesses. The school where I train utilizes teaching methods that play to my strengths. Though I think discussion of which art is better aren't particularly productive, and though I think there are many paths to knowledge, I'm not uncomfortable at all in stating that some martial arts are better suited to my quirks than others. Regards, Buz Grover BTW: I enjoyed Rob McDonald's response to an aspect of this question. One of the great things about the ED is the range of hands on experience of many of the posters. ------------------------------ From: "johnaleen" Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 21:11:10 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: Sayoc Kali Seminar report... Sayoc Kali Seminar Southern NJ. This 2-day offering from Tuhon Chris Sayoc and his team was set up in two sections. The morning from 8am to 10am was for police knife awareness, and gun and knife defensive tactics. This morning session is a closed class for police members and security team members only. Then from 10am to 430 pm was the class given in their knife system. We were told both days that these classes are not given to people that just walk off the street, and too get into them it takes knowing someone or writing first and getting permission. weather this is their standard policy or a new policy due to our present situation I do not know for sure. I do know that I feel very fortunate that I was able to train again in the Sayoc knife system and plan to keep it up. Sayoc Kali is strictly a knife art. It was interesting to see and work with the police teams that took this class both in the morning and again the ones that stayed in the afternoon. if you're a police officer or security team member on the east coast I encourage you to take these kinds of classes from them if you can. In doing so you will be able to experience and learn what its like facing the realty of someone that is seriously trained in a blade, you will also learn the realty and dynamics of what the knife can and will do to a body as its being sliced and diced. and the core realty based things that you may face on the job in our present state of awareness here.. I was very glad to see the realty taught in this class because our teams here really need the training, the local officers here that I have trained with in the past and then again here at this seminar find me more aggressive then they expect and find it hard to deal at times with the incoming knife from me wile doing free flow strikes with simple and basic knife patterns.. This is not a good sign as I am not a killer on the streets that they are facing on a day to day bases. to boot I am an old slow chick.What I have found really sort of threw the police team members I have trained with here in this demographic area, were the transitions from switching the blade from hand to hand during the on coming strikes. Its sort of disturbing here how untrained are teams are besides them needing more hand to hand training, I would be happy if I could in some way impart to our local police team here, that surrounding 30 children who are walking 6 blocks to the park in busy heavy bumper to bumper rush hour traffic with 4 squad cars and 4 motorcycle escorts is not making them safer but putting them in more danger. " This is based on why they're doing it " Some of the younger lads there that were training from other schools seemed to think it was fun to cut and gut someone until I explained what it really looked like and smelled like when you cut someone and their guts fall to your feet. though my explanation to them right after breakfast was not as nice as the one that Tuhon used on Saturday when he referred to the feeling of this on you as it happened to you being the " warm Fuzzy Feeling" ...J It is important that the realty of what we teach and do is seriously covered when we are learning, teaching, or explaining any weapons based art. Especially to our police teams so they can save others and themselves. and then especially to our young adults that think its sort of cool to play with the blades. Yes it would be cool if we did not have a world where we had to do this, but again it's the realty's that need to be faced and why we teach, train in, or learn a martial art, the first bases for training in most cases is to protect yourself in one way or the other. If this is the case then we have to cover the realty's of the damage that is caused when we use a weapon on someone. for someone that has never actually cut someone or shot someone, their first time experience is much different then they normally imagine. especially under full attack or violent confrontation when trying to save your life.. I was glad to see this kind of realty covered a number of times over the weekend.. Beyond all the serious part of the training we did over the weekend, I really had an awesome time, Tuhon Chris Sayoc and his team bring huge credit to their art. They are all very skilled, willing to help, teach and explain. if someone did not know something there was no hesitation by anyone to go and ask another instructor to clarify it or to help. Ms. J bows deeply.... ------------------------------ From: "Philipp Hammer" Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 03:31:58 +0100 Subject: eskrima: Cabca What is that real Hi folks In the program of the ikaef is a drill called cabca. Its like the sinawalis, but what are the differences. From wich style is it and what skill should be trained with it. Question over questions. greets from germany. (writting errors included lol) Philipp _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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