From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V9 #7 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Sun, 6 Jan 2002 Vol 09 : Num 007 In this issue: eskrima: Stickfighting and Liplates Show eskrima: Re: Ebay eskrima: To be real or not to be real eskrima: Foam Weapon Sparring Tourney eskrima: Kampilan question eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). http://InayanEskrima.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick N. Christian" Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 20:55:40 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Stickfighting and Liplates Show Okay, I watched the TV show on discovery. I'd much rather go through the stickfights than have a clay plates 6-7 inches in diameter shoved into a hole in my lip. The men in that tribe have it easy compared to the women. One thing I did notice with the stickfighting is that everyone stayed in striking range. I didn't see too much evasion or closing. I also didn't see too much blocking. It seemed to be more of flurry-fighting and not much technique. Of course this was the real world and it was quite interesting to watch. At this point I must state that there was only about 3 minutes of stickfighting on the whole show (I don't want anyone to call me snarky again:). So, if you have been waiting to see the show, don't get too excited about fight scenes. Unless you are really interested in piercing your lip and then shoving wooden pegs into them. Patrick N. Christian www.inayaneskrima.com christian@inayaneskrima.com Inayan Systems International ------------------------------ From: Jivita@aol.com Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 21:23:28 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Ebay I am currently selling on ebay. My experiences have been so/so thus far. At worst people don;t follow through or they want to return an item ie. they don't consider the listing or ask questions before bidding (it's an auction, not wal-mart). At best you get things sold quickly via "buy it now". (Just sold Swish of the Kris, in under 24 hours, for $125.) Common things (Barongs, Kris, Kampilans, bolos) will go for less than dealer prices. Exceptional items (Moro shields, rare swords) can go very well. Regards. Jim. ------------------------------ From: "In Chun Kim" Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 01:56:02 -0500 Subject: eskrima: To be real or not to be real Hear, Hear Guro Terry!!! You have said all that needs to be said regarding this matter (but of course I want to throw my two bits in ^_^ - please bear with me). I do not know the details, or wish to know the details, of the - ahem - "disagreement" between the two persons, but I would like to say a few things. First of all, I am a Korean-American that has studied and taught martial arts for over 22 years (not that this really means much ^_^) including Hap Ki Do (HKD) and Filipino martial arts (FMA) and have to say that to call a martial art "reality-based" or not is a sign that there is some form of art-centrism. In my opinion every martial art is to some degree reality-based, but, most importantly, reality-specific to the region where the art originates. HKD, when practiced diligently and with a street-oriented focus is highly effective against weapons or empty-hands (gee, I wonder why a lot of the redirection-of-attack, footwork, locks, and takedowns are similar between FMA and HKD? ^_^). One who understands the principles and approaches to knife-fighting (irregardless of geographic location) will be able to adapt the art/style to effective knife-defense (although I believe that FMA is ONE of the best for this type of application). Secondly, HKD is NOT a competition-oriented martial art. It's origins and principles are closely tied with Aikido and both are devoted to self-defense and self-preservation, NOT competition. In fact, I have not heard of a single competition specifically for the art of HKD and/or Aikido. Ms. J may have (understandably) mistaken a Tae Kwon Do/Hap Ki Do blend art (somtimes called Hap Ki Do for marketing purposes, where only a minute portion of only the locking and throwing aspects of HKD are taught) with the "complete" art of HKD. I am not placing any blame or fault on anyone. I only wanted to clarify a few things to those that may not be too familiar with the wonderful art of HKD. As the wise and venerable Ray Terry stated, "each [art] has its own strength and weaknesses." In fact, when it comes down to comparing the efficacy of various martial arts, it is not about the arts, but rather the practitioners of the arts (not all practitoners of HKD are scrubs with no sense of "reality" and not all practitioners of FMA are the penultimate against bladed weapons). Sorry about the long tirade. My juices started flowing and I couldn't contain myself. :-) With the deepest respects and humility, I C Kim > I have no idea what fully ranked in an art means, but I assume one could > classify me in that category when speaking of Hapkido (note correct spelling). > > I am reminded of the recent thread of how some like to pick at other arts > and how 'they' just don't get it while 'we' have all the answers. Yes, the > arts are different, each has its own strength and weakness. But to attempt > to claim that Eskrima is reality based and Hapkido is not is totally and > completely absurd! If Eskrima had ALL the answers the likes of Cacoy Canete > would not have bothered to create Eskrido. > >i would rather save someone's life then to allow them not to understand the > >realtys and the differences of SELF-Defense compared to a competition > >martial art that does not always cover the realtys of what will happen on >> the streets... > > also this person seems to be upset because i told him to take a realty based > > martial art to augment his Hopkido, i.e. like the FMA because the FACT is i > > have had 3 students in the past year who are training in or are fully ranked > > in the art of hopkido, almost take a knife to the gut against others, 2 on > > the streets facing the knife in realty, and then again all of them by myself > > in class using a very dangerous block that is taught as part of hopkido... ------------------------------ From: "Meghan Gardner" Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 08:46:40 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Foam Weapon Sparring Tourney Just a reminder... the registration for this event in Burlington, MA needs to be postmarked by tomorrow. More info can be found at: http://www.guardup.com/MartialArts/larpchallenge.htm Thanks! Meghan "Always carry love in your heart... and a knife in your pocket." me ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 8:04:34 PST Subject: eskrima: Kampilan question For those familiar with Kampilans... please take a quick look at this one showing on eBay http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1403772821 It looks a bit different from the kampilans that I'm used to seeing. Of course just because it is advertised on eBay as a kampilan doesn't mean that it is one, but thought I would ask given our impressive base of experts out there. Are there varying types of kampilans or is this just a kampilan with a missing hook on the end of the blade that has also been given a new grip or ??? Thanks. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 8:23:31 PST Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V9 #7 ************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11!