From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V9 #18 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Tues, 15 Jan 2002 Vol 09 : Num 018 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V9 #16 eskrima: Fixed blade eskrima: Letha Yoga and Cougar Self-Defense eskrima: New Tapi-Tapi video eskrima: Weapon against an animal. eskrima: Animal defenses eskrima: Interesting web site eskrima: Where? eskrima: mountain lions eskrima: Lions and Bears eskrima: Ryan Model 7 eskrima: X-Mailer: Opera 5.12 build 932 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V9 #16 eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). http://InayanEskrima.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pentjakker" Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 18:42:33 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V9 #16 Ray, where'd you pick yours up? >Just picked up the new CRKT (Columbia River Knife and Tool) Ryan Model Seven >folder. A very nice knife! MSRP of $59.99, but I found mine for $30 >($25+$5 S&H). ------------------------------ From: "Pentjakker" Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 18:48:39 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Fixed blade Anyone have recommendations on short fixed blade knives. I did notice the CRKT in the previous post but am interested in something with a good belly (upward curving) in either a drop or clip point and a blade length of 3.5 inches or SHORTER. Regards, Travis ------------------------------ From: "Stephen Lamade" Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:45:54 Subject: eskrima: Letha Yoga and Cougar Self-Defense I've never seen Letha Yoga but have read descriptions of it. It may be similar to the partner-assisted stretches found in traditional Thai massage. There appears to be an emphasis upon maintaining healthy joint structure. Most of the stretches can be turned into locks and breaks, similar to the way that tui-na and chin-na mutually inform each other in Chinese medicine/martial arts. Re. stick and knife defense against a mountain lion: In his youth, Momoy Canete studied with Don Tecson, a famous eskrimador, faith healer, and wild animal catcher, so I suppose it's possible that you can defend yourself against a cougar with espada y daga technique :-^) Seriously, since these animals generally stalk their prey and hit them from above and behind, I doubt that you'd see it coming anyway. (Runners and running children are probably victims of cougar attack because their behavior mimics prey behavior. Menstruating women are advised not to run through cougar country.) In the rare event that you surprised one, I don't think that menacing it with a stick would be a good idea - I'd opt for slowly backing away, maintaining eye contact the whole time. Experts also advise talking slowly and moving your arms slowly in front of you to identify yourself as something that is not a deer, etc. Running away is not advisable, since it mimics prey behavior. Cougars to not bluff charge, the way that bears do, so if a cougar charges you, you know you're in it pretty quickly. Experts recommend fighting back against a cougar and to protect your neck at all times - its the primary kill zone for large cats. They may also attempt to disembowl you by clawing at your abdomen with their hind legs. At all costs, DO NOT play dead - again it mimics prey behavior (how many of you have seen a cat play with a mouse?). Certainly a knife will give you an advantange over empty hands but this assumes you're already in a fight for your life to begin with. I'd opt for repeated thrusts until one of us stopped moving, or the cougar ran away. The self-defense tools of choice in back country are pepper spray and a large caliber firearm. The University of Montana maintains that "You can also try to suffocate the cougar by forcing your closed fist way down its throat. The idea is to reach down the cat's mouth as though you wanted to grab its stomach and hold your fist there until the cat stops moving. This requires that YOU become the predator." (Kids do not try this at home -and do not try it with a bear, who will amost certainly eat your arm.) In closing, I am reminded that someone once (almost) said that "the experience of wilderness includes at least the possibilty that large predators will eat you." (James Seetoo, I hope you caught this post.) No, I have never fought a cougar. The preceding information is intended for informational purposes only, and all mistakes are unintentional. Regards, Steve Lamade San Miguel Eskrima _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ From: abanico-video-knuettel@t-online.de (Dieter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kn=FCttel?=) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 00:45:44 +0100 Subject: eskrima: New Tapi-Tapi video Hello verybody, just a short notice, that have finished the newest videos about Modern Arnis. It covers the Tapi-Tapi of Modern Arnis (available also in english and NTSC version). It shows the structure, how we teach it here in Germany and takes you step by step though many different techniques. It runs for 95 minutes and turned out really good. Have a look at my homsite, under http://www.abanico.de If you ever wanted to know what Tapi-Tapi is all about, here is the chance to find out. Best regards from Gemany Dieter Knüttel Datu of Modern Arnis ABANICO Video Productions http://www.abanico.de http://www.modern-arnis.de ------------------------------ From: Ed Lam Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:10:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Weapon against an animal. I guess the simple answer would be a large calibre pistol. How about a large dog? My wife is a vet who works in emergency. Once, she treated a German shepard who was very seriously injured will defending his owner against a mountian lion. Apparently, the guy likes to hike in the woods. Just that once, he wanted to leave his dog at home. Lucky for him, he decided to bring his dog with him. BTW, the dog recovered, althought the vet bill was in the thousands of dollars. Ed __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ From: TABULA RAZA Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:30:59 -1000 (HST) Subject: eskrima: Animal defenses In all sincerity, If a dog bites you . . .stick your thumb up its ass. According to Men's Health. My guess is that they don't like being violated. That is if you can and will stick it there. I don't know how it works and if it does, but if it happens, that's one response you can do to see if it works. Don't mean to insult anyone's intelligence, but hey you asked, and that's what I've heard . . .a real no-holds-barred reality fighting reply:) Assalamu Alai Kum (Peace be unto you), - -Erwin Legaspi "All I have ever longed for in my life . . . a vision of God." - 9th and 10th century Sufi mystic Mansur Al-Hallaj "Intellect and intelligence do not go together. Intelligence is obtained only when the heart and mind reach an agreement." - Jiddu Krishnamurti ------------------------------ From: "Anthony James Hawkins" Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:48:50 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Interesting web site I found an interesting web site with a lot of pretty good information on it about martial arts/warriorship/military skills. There are a few dead links but the section on warrior philosophy is worth a look. Looks like a lot of research went into it. (i only wish the person who made it didnt use frames though its kind of klunky.) http://www.geocities.com/pentagon/4914 Later A.J. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 17:33:14 PST Subject: eskrima: Where? > Ray, where'd you pick yours up? > > >Just picked up the new CRKT (Columbia River Knife and Tool) Ryan Model Seven > >folder. A very nice knife! MSRP of $59.99, but I found mine for $30 > >($25+$5 S&H). eBay Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "phil" Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 18:03:38 -0800 Subject: eskrima: mountain lions Wasn't there a guy in Northern California, if i recall he was an unemployed carpenter, who used to practice jiu-jitsu with his dog. One day while running he was surprised by a mountain lion on a trail, he managed to get it to the ground on on it's back, and they lay there for approx. three hours. He then not knowing what to do, let it go where it then took off like a shot in to the bush and he went the other way. This happened 4 year's ago I think and was verified by the park ranger, I saw it in the Vancouver Province. As for dogs they do bite extremely hard but I ahve it from a K-9 trainer that if you can get your hand/fist just past the roof of the mouth and turn it so it is vertical like a "c" punch they can't bite down effectively. Worked on my dog but we were just playing, he is a bull terrier like Don cherry's dog, adios. phil ------------------------------ From: DAHLDP@aol.com Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:27:58 EST Subject: eskrima: Lions and Bears Mountain Lions prefer to attack from behind. They typically run up the prey's back and attack the back of the neck or the base of the skull. Many human victims are likely to hit the ground and die without really realizing what happened. Awareness of one's surroundings is important, but only goes so far. The best defense while running in lion country is to run with one (or preferably several) other people. Lions are reluctant to attack a group because an injury from a fight may impair their hunting ability and cause them to starve. They tend to look for quick and easy prey. The advice about laying down to stall a bear attack is not the best idea with a lion. Most experts recommend that if you are lucky enough to see a lion before it attacks, stand up and extend your arms, trying to make yourself look as large as possible. Staring them directly in the eye is considered a threat/challenge and is not recommended. Do not run or turn your back on a lion, as this is exactly the target the lion wants, and running will simply trigger the pursuit instinct. On the favorable side, I've spent many years backpacking and hiking and seen only two lions. Both were running away at warp speed. With regard to bear attacks, falling into the fetal position may work against a brown bear (griz) that is angry/protecting young. Experts often recommend this as a last resort. However, it is exactly the wrong thing to do against an aggressive black bear. Black bears are the only sort you will encounter in California and most of the Lower 48 (except parts of the Northwest/Mountain States). An aggressive black bear is more likely to regard you as food, and hitting the ground is like ringing a dinner bell. The experts recommend a similar posture to that mentioned for lions above. They also urge people to resist with rocks, sticks, even fists and feet (goes for lions too). There are credible reports of many black bear assaults having been successfully thwarted by such action. Suggest your friend run with others. If not possible, the certain health benefits from exercise are still likely to far exceed the low risk of lion attack. Best Regards, Dave Dahl (dahldp@aol.com) ------------------------------ From: DAHLDP@aol.com Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:42:26 EST Subject: eskrima: Ryan Model 7 Ray, I'm glad that you mentioned Steve Ryan's Model 7. I've known Steve for many years and admire his work. I have a custom Model 7 that is my favorite folder. It is significantly larger than the CRKT version, with a massive titanium frame, textured G10 scales, chisel grind, etc. However, I also carry the factory Model 7 and like it a lot too. Excuse me if I'm repeating information you already know, but Steve is quite an accomplished martial artist. In addition to an extensive background in other arts, Steve has trained FMA with Guro Inosanto and Steve Tarani (Steve, I apologize if I spelled your name incorrectly). Guro Dan has one of the nicest Ryan fixed blade fighters I've ever seen. He periodically takes it out in class to demonstrate how one can flick the pressure-fit kydex sheath at an opponent as a distracting tactic. If you like Steve's Model 7, you should check out Models 1 and 2 of his custom Biohazard series. They are insanely vicious looking blades. When you see them, you'll appreciate why he chose the Biohazard name! A few months ago there were some nice photos of a Model 1 in the Emerson Forum at www.bladeforums.com You would need to do an archive search of the Emerson Forum for "Ryan Model 1". The bad news is that Steve is currently busy with family obligations and not taking orders. However, we Ryan fans eagerly await the re-emergence of the Biohazards. Enjoy your new blade! Dave Dahl (dahldp@aol.com) ------------------------------ From: tenrec Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 03:45:09 -0000 Subject: eskrima: X-Mailer: Opera 5.12 build 932 NATAHEY ALL: Mr. Meadows wrote: > or maybe we could use Filipino dogs >as the examples, the ones that survived the barbecue pit... PC ALERT!!!: This kind of UNFAIRLY implies that a majority of Filipinos barbecue dogs... which is INACCURATE because: 1. Everyone knows barbecued dog tends to be dry and stringy. 2. Filipinos don't have barbecue pits. 3. Asocena is much tastier, best with a nice chianti and fava beans (slurp slurp slurp slurp). 4. Many prefer cat siopao. (The other other other white meat...) P.S. don't flame me: I LIKE dogs...... with beer : 8 ) HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL.... tenrec tenrec@avcorner.com jtenrec2@yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Andrew R Breton Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:04:46 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V9 #16 Jamie, Letha yoga is using a partner to help you stretch. In the seminar I went to, the stretches emphasized stretches based more on neck,arm and leg positions and manipulations than what you think of yoga stretches (plough, lotus etc.). However, your back/core still get stretched very well. If you've done martial arts stretches with a partner, think of taking that to the Nth degree. I remember thinking that it was a waste of time to spend a day of a seminar doing stretches (after all, I can do that at home). As it turns out, it was one of the best workouts I've had. You're sore, but you feel good. Dr. Gyi is also a very good instructor - both in Letha Yoga and Bando. Dr. Gyi said he was going to write the book on Letha yoga - he didn't give me a timeline. The closest thing you may come to it is a book on Thai massage. I'm thinking of the "Thai Massage Manual" by Maria Mercati. That book has stretches reminescent of what we did. Intersting story: when I first saw the flier for his trip to Tulsa, I thought it said "LETHAL yoga". I didn't know exactly what to expect. Andy > > From: Jamie Hutchins > Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:39:04 -0000 > Subject: eskrima: Letha Yoga > > I wonder if anyone on the digest has any further information on > Letha Yoga > at all. I remember reading a summary of a previous seminar by Dr. > Gyi and it > sounds very interesting. Interesting or not though its unlikely I'll > be able > to get to the states any time soon (UK based). > > Are there any introductory manuals or videos available at all? > > Look forward to your replies. > > Jamie > ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:54:25 PST Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V9 #18 *************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Fight Spam! Join CAUCE! == http://www.cauce.org/ Remember 9-11!