From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V9 #21 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 18 Jan 2002 Vol 09 : Num 021 In this issue: eskrima: Letha yoga eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V9 #20 eskrima: Front Sight eskrima: Fear Based Continuum eskrima: US troops in RP eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). http://InayanEskrima.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jamie Hutchins Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 15:44:26 -0000 Subject: eskrima: Letha yoga Many thanks for the continued information on Letha Yoga. Ray I hope this isn't too off topic for the digest? What can I say to you Vincent or anyone else that has studied this form of Yoga... come to the UK!!! Write a book, record a video, put info on a website... take on a limey disciple (namely me)!! In the meantime I return to my anxious vigil awaiting more information. Thanks to all. Jamie - ------------------------------ From: NYCAinfo@aol.com Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:26:00 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Letha Yoga On the topic of Letha Yoga, I do not think it has much in common with Thai Traditional Massage or Massage Therapy, as I have studied all three extensively. Thai Traditional Massage has a Burmese variant which is similar which is Burmese massage. Letha Yoga is partner assisted stretches in which breathing is an essential component. It is a tremendous way to preparation the body for physical exercise. There is also longyi yoga and dhanda yoga in which a staff is used. The yogas were created for warriors and day to day laborers to keep themselves fit. As a matter of fact, I am on my way to India to teach several seminars and I will begin with Dr. Gyi's letha yoga series. I read the first 3rd of Dr. Gyi's book and it is a very well written book that includes unique translations of ancient documents on the topics. I expect his book will be ready sometime later this year. Dr. Gyi will also be in New York City for a seminar in May when I return from this long research trip. As well my book The Vanishing Flame: The Bare Knuckle fighting arts of India, Cambodia, Thailand, Laos and Burma will be out in definitely in late 2002. Vincent Giordano New York Combat Arts - ------------------------------ ------------------------------ From: "johnaleen" Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 15:05:28 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V9 #20 ********* Todd Wrote: Yeah, he's big and strong and has obviously picked up a lot of martial arts. And he does a crackerjack job of throwing around a small cooperative woman. I'm sure he could pound on me pretty well. ************ Todd i have not seen this video and i am making this sort of comment based solely on your above statement or piece of your review of the tape. Reading this one piece of your statement brought me back to something that happened early last year, first understand that sometimes some people just dont get it...and sometimes i have found that occasionally you will find men that have done much in the martial arts or have been training within the scope of the male ego, have problems understanding that its just not a good thing to be all tuff and toss chicks around and use them as there tools in public, in the training hall, on video or in books. to be quite honest, even my training partner did not understand fully until a year ago that its not a great representation when you are a man to be whooping up on or doing techniques on a woman in public or for demonstration. Regardless of the fact that a woman can take and give just as well. this man whos video you are reviewing, would have been much better off to instruct verbally then let this small framed woman toss him about, this would have shown that his techniques and training work for even the small slight woman. instead he has represented her as his tool. if its not represented in a tape or training serious in at least an equal level of changing rolls in the flow of the demonstrations, then it represents in the mind of many that see this kind of thing in a negative light. he has not only degraded this woman but he as well had made a fool out of himself. of course that makes sense and i dont think i have to work out all the reasons why its not all that great of a deal to watch a dude use a woman on the floor for whooping up on even in a demonstration. if it was done on the tape in an equal level with give and take by both the woman and the man, then the representation is very different. Case in point: last year we were being interviewed by the Atlantic City Press, for an up coming program that would be taught to survivors of abuse and the Women's center out call team staff. after the hour or so interview, the photographer said he wanted to take pictures of us doing technique, my partner at the time filled with his male pride and his 30 years as a hard core, martial artist- and realty based Self-Defense instructor, picked up the pads tryed to hand them to me and said to me here hold these. at that point i just looked at him and tried not to laugh my butt off. then the photographer looked at him and gave him an odd sort of glare, my partner got the wrong impression from his look and said, would you rather i demonstrate a rear knee kick to the groin on her? First note, i would never allow this to happen but the photographer was doing a fine enough job teaching my partner the realities i did not need to make it worse...i was just trying to be sort of good and trying not to laugh my ass off in public the photographer then looked at him and said, i really dont think its all that great of an idea to have a picture of a man kicking the shit out of a woman on the front page of the community section of Sundays paper, especially when the woman is the one that is going to be teaching woman how to protect themselves from men........ my partner just sort of looked at him, and then after about 5 minutes of the photographer having to explain the realty's and the relationship to the mind of the public he finally understood. Ms. J... bows deeply... Oh and the pictue they finally used was of me using the rear knee kick, and elbow to the face on my male partner.........:) " Well Behaved Women Seldom Make History" ------------------------------ From: "Mark F. Ward" Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 11:45:40 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Front Sight This is not meant to be a plug for training at Front Sight. This is a solicitation for professional instructors: I work for Front Sight Firearms Training Institute. Front Sight is currently looking for great instructors to lead their nascent Martial Arts program. I think this is an outstanding opportunity to create a top-notch program based around the most proven techniques, strategies, and training methods. I can personally tell you that their firearms training is top notch, their instructors are capable and professional, and they take care of their employees. I think the types of no-nonsense, combative arts discussed in this digest would be a great fit with an intensive, four-day course. The leadership at Front Sight is concerned with getting the best possible instruction for their students - no SCARS-style marketing, just solid street-proven training. Guys, here's your chance to kick the McDojo types square in the ass and train men and women in real-life defensive tactics. Here's the copy straight from the horse's mouth: +++++ Placing a Call for the World's Best Martial Arts Instructors! Front Sight will begin offering our Martial Arts Courses in the Fall. Ours will be a curriculum offering numerous disciplines in one day to four day, intensified formats. We are not interested in teaching Eastern philosophy or developing Black Belts. Rather, Front Sight will provide street proven techniques from a variety of disciplines that you can count on to defend yourself against armed and unarmed attacks. Using the same Front Sight methods of instruction that allow us, in four days, to take a novice shooter and bring them up to levels that exceed those who carry a gun for a living, martial arts students will leave Front Sight, with a command of the specific techniques taught and be able to deliver their life saving skills on demand. We are now placing a call for the world's best martial arts instructors to send resumes, videos, and any information that would clearly demonstrate why their discipline and instructional ability should be considered for inclusion in Front Sight's Martial Arts Courses. Those instructors selected from resumes received will be invited to a special, week long Martial Arts Conference at Front Sight, where we will make final selection of the disciplines and instructors to be offered. Full time and part time positions are available. Send Resumes to: Front Sight PO Box 2619 Aptos, CA 95001 Visit our website at www.frontsight.com +++++ If you have any questions that you don't want to ask Front Sight, email me personally. I will give you my unvarnished answer: I'm not paid to lie. I think this is an outstanding professional opportunity for some of you out there and I hope to see you at the seminar. Best regards, and I hope I didn't offend anyone by posting this here. mfw Mark F. Ward Swerving Atom, Inc. mark@swervingatom.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 19:10:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Fear Based Continuum Of possible interest, forwarding from the ASLET list. >FEAR BASED CONTINUUM > >I got this Fear Based Continuum from Mr. Roy Bedard, who is the Owner and >President of RRB Systems International, Inc. I like this Fear Based >Continuum because it makes sense. It works off of a persons natural >instincts and fears. > >Before I get started, I will need to explain a couple of things. I will >first list the Fear Based Continuum and then explain each level. But before >I do that, lets talk about an officer's authority. This is important >because we must understand when an officer has authority and when an >officer does not have authority. > >When I teach the use of force to a basic recruit class or sometimes even an >in-service class of experienced officers, I always ask them how much >authority do you have and when do you have that authority. I tell them, you >will hear things such as "You're a cop 24 hours a day," or that your >department policy may require you to carry your firearm and badge with you >off-duty and require you to act if you see a crime occur within your >jurisdiction. And again, I ask them, "When do you have authority as a law >enforcement officer?" You would be surprised at the answers I get. > >Some say "all the time" and others "when you check on duty for your shift" >is when your authority starts. And I have to tell them...wrong! At this >point I begin to get puzzled looks. I explain to them that there are only 3 >things that gives us authority and without those 3 things we have >absolutely no authority what-so-ever, whether on-duty or off. Even if we're >on-duty, without one of these 3 things, we don't have the authority to tell >anyone to do anything. So, what are these 3 things that activate an >officer's authority? Reasonable Suspicion, Probable Cause, and Exigent >Circumstances. Once one of these is present, then the officer has authority >over the person or situation. I really stress this because it seems that >this is what gets officers in the most trouble. Exercising authority over a >person or situation when the officer actually has none. > >An officer must understand and except this because it plays an important >part of the first level of the fear based continuum. > >Here are the 4 levels of the Fear Based Continuum. > > a.. Fear of Embarrassment > > b.. Fear of Escape > > c.. Fear of Injury > > d.. Fear of Great Bodily Harm or Death > > >Fear of Embarrassment > >This is an important part of the Fear Based Continuum. This is a situation >where the officer has no authority over a person or situation. An example >of this may be where an officer has initiated a citizen or voluntary >contact with a subject. The subject may be with a group of friends or there >may people standing around watching. > >When the officer makes contact and asks the person if he/she can speak with >them, the person tells the officer to "screw off" or starts mouthing off at >the officer. Other people are around and this usually causes the officer >some level of embarrassment. But the officer has to remember, that with a >citizen/voluntary contact, none of the 3 elements exist that activate our >authority, so there is nothing the officer can do in this situation except >swallow their pride. > >This type of situation occurs over and over again on a daily basis and >unfortunately, some officers react to that embarrassment by exerting >authority over that person they don't have. It is important that we stress >this to our officers because as with any use of force, the officer must >have authority over the person or situation. If not, then any amount of >force used would be considered excessive and the officer would have >committed an unlawful seizure of the person. > >I can't stress enough how important it is that officers understand this. We >all have a fear of being embarrassed both personally and professionally. We >need to realize that it is going to happen and in most cases, there is >nothing we can do about it. > >Naturally, this would not apply to a Reasonable Suspicion (Terry v. Ohio) >stop, because now 1 of the 3 elements is present that activate our >authority over the person or situation. As we all know, in this situation >an officer may use reasonable force to detain the person until the >suspicion is dispelled or probable cause is developed for an arrest. > >The next 3 levels of the Fear Based Continuum are based on the officer >having authority over the person and/or situation. > >Fear of Escape > >This is when an officer has detained or actually placed a subject under >arrest and the subject begins resisting the officer. The resistance from >the subject is not threatening to the officer, the subject is merely trying >to get away from the officer by tensing and pulling away, not letting the >officer get close, or actually running away from the officer. > >The officer fears that the subject will escape from custody and therefore, >the officer uses low level tactics such as transporter techniques, pain >compliance techniques, takedowns or pepper spray (OC) to subdue and control >the subject. > >Fear of Injury > >This is when an officer has detained or actually placed a subject under >arrest and the subject begins to fight with the officer. Unlike the Fear of >Escape where the subject is just trying to get away, the subject has now >become aggressive and is actually fighting the officer. This may be in the >form of the subject swinging or kicking at the officer. There is no intent, >apparent ability or opportunity on the subject's part at this time to cause >the officer great bodily harm or death but the officer fears injury by the >subject's actions. > >The officer in an effort to defend him/herself and to subdue and control >the subject may use higher-level tactics such as punches and kicks or >impact weapons strikes to approved areas of the body. Or if available, the >officer may use other intermediate weaponry such as a stun gun or other >electrical device. > >Fear of Great Bodily Harm or Death > >This is when an officer has detained or actually placed a subject under >arrest and the subject begins to fight with the officer. Unlike the Fear of >Injury where the subject has no intent, apparent ability or opportunity to >cause the officer great bodily harm or death, the subject is now attacking >the officer with or without a weapon and has the intent, apparent ability >and opportunity to cause the officer great bodily harm or death. > >Due to the subject's actions and/or the presence of a weapon, the officer >fears great bodily harm or death and therefore may utilize a firearm or >other deadly force tactic such as a baton strike to the head, punch to a >lethal area of the body, etc., to subdue the subject or control the >situation. > >This Fear Based Continuum is designed to fit within an existing force >policy or continuum and can be modified to meet an agency's guidelines. I >like the Fear Based Continuum because it works off our basic fears and >instincts. > >I've been in law enforcement for 14 years and have experienced each of >these levels in the Fear Based Continuum. Instinctively, in the blink of an >eye, I knew whether the subject was trying to get away, hurt me, or kill >me. We all have these instincts naturally and I feel it is much easier to >train officers on how to respond based on these natural instincts. ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 22:57:38 -0800 Subject: eskrima: US troops in RP Woof All: Comments from knowledgeable observers? Crafty Dog - --------------------- Philippines: Rebel Presence in Military Endangers U.S. Troops Summary Fighting has broken out on the southern Philippine island of Jolo between military forces and supporters of jailed Muslim rebel leader Nur Misuari, some of whom are members of the police force. The clashes signal the inability of the Philippine military and police to control former militants within their ranks. As a result, U.S. troops who are being deployed in the country as part of the post-Sept. 11 anti-terror campaign could find themselves in the precarious position of training and working alongside Muslim militant elements. Analysis Philippine police officers loyal to jailed Muslim rebel leader Nur Misuari have clashed with the country's military forces on the southern island of Jolo, with more then 30 people killed in two days of fighting. The most recent attack occurred when former members of Misuari's Moro National Liberation Front (MNLF) who are now part of the police force fired on an army Jeep Jan. 16. The fighting comes on the heels of an announcement that more than 650 U.S. troops will be deployed to the volatile southern Philippines region -- where Muslim rebels are highly active -- to participate in anti-terrorism exercises with Filipino troops. But the Jolo incident has revealed the military's inability to control former rebel elements within the country's security forces. This could prove dangerous for U.S. forces, whose efforts to help Philippine troops fight terror groups may put them in close contact with Muslim extremist elements. The United States and the Philippines have mostly kept close relations for the past 50 years, although Washington has paid even more attention to the country since Sept. 11 due to the ties between its Muslim militant groups and Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network. Of the 650 troops that the United States is sending to the Philippines, 500 will be support and maintenance personnel, and 150 will comprise Special Operations forces. They will join about 1,200 Philippine troops for the joint exercises, known as Balikantan 02-01. The live-ammunition training will take place in the rebel-infested areas of Basilan island and Zamboanga. The exercises, initially scheduled for six months, could be extended until the end of 2002. Washington and the Philippines have never held joint military exercises in these war-torn areas before. But the locations will allow U.S. military personnel to both observe Philippine forces in serious combat situations and train them on how to handle future operations against domestic terrorist elements. Besides receiving training, the Philippine military will be able to carry out dramatic offensives with its ally the United States watching its back. U.S. troops also tend to leave behind military equipment following joint exercises, Asia Times reported. One of the major goals of the U.S.-Philippine military cooperation will be the dismantling of groups such as the Abu Sayyaf, a Muslim rebel organization with strong links to al Qaeda. More than 5,000 Filipino troops have been deployed to free two Americans who were kidnapped by the group but so far have not succeeded. Philippine President Gloria Arroyo told local radio Jan. 16 that the U.S. soldiers will only be acting as advisers, although Filipino military officials have said that the U.S. trainers would be given live ammunition and are allowed to fire in self defense, Agence France-Presse reported. The mere presence of U.S. forces has already angered many in the country, and an attack by hostile separatist groups is a very real possibility. However, another increasing danger is the threat posed by former rebel elements within the military. The government integrated rebel members into its military and police forces following the 1996 Peace Accord established between Manila and the MNLF. Over the years both the military and the police have experienced defections as the rebels returned to their former comrades, taking their assigned arms with them. The recent fighting in Jolo shows that many rebels who have not defected -- such as former MNLF members -- may not have cut their old ties and may still harbor strong loyalties to factions other than the Philippine government. This has been seen in the past, as former rebels within the security forces have allowed active militant members to pass through security lines or have refused to fight against certain groups. This may become an even bigger problem for U.S. forces, as the already strong anti-U.S. sentiment in the Philippines could be inflamed by the government's plan to try Misuari for inciting an uprising last year. Such a catalyst may cause further rebel elements in the military and police to switch allegiances, and their proximity to U.S. personnel can allow them to complicate U.S. efforts in the region or threaten troops themselves. ___________________________________________________________________ <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< SEND THIS TO A FRIEND! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did you like this analysis? Then forward it to a friend! Got this from a friend? Get your own by becoming a member! http://www.stratfor.com/COMPANY/info.htm ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 8:00:41 PST Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V9 #21 *************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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