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Inay (1944-2000). http://InayanEskrima.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Video review (Arnisman@aol.com) 2. Re: "educated" training partners (Jeff T. Inman) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Arnisman@aol.com Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 22:50:07 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Video review Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I don't usually post.. I read the digest and go on.. but the inane comments about Joe's tapes and the comments about Mike Janich and Addy are too much.. Gee ms J..why not try watching something before you go off and post a comment based on someone elses poor viewing? Joe did not make a fool of himself nor degrade any one by using Addy in the tape. Shes a great instructor and understands the flow of what Joe is doing. She has great presence on the tape and Joe and Addy work well together. Something thats needed on a quality instructional tape.. Mike Janich is not only a renowned author, but one of THE Knife instructors and knife designers in our current times. He teaches Serrada..(suprise!) and he's the Chief Instructor for the new SPYDERCO MBC program.. hmm backing from a MAJOR knife company Yes..hes been there, done that...in real time.. and Todd..that is your name right? The tapes? Well as usual they are outstanding PALADIN PRESS quality.. Joe's understanding, and teaching of what he knows is valid. Guro Victor is unhappy with it? Thats his privlege.. I have great respect for Guro Victor.. You don't like it ..Fine.. Its as we would call Modern Silat ..or Concepts...and a names a name. I guess they took a page out of Remy's book! Unless his certificates somehow became invalid due to time. or his teaching skills somehow deteriorated over time.. I'd say Joe has the right to teach and does a good job of it.. Joes tapes are well put together, easy to learn from and hes a for real slam n jammer. and he certainly knows he difference between a concept, a principle and a technique.. The sales of all of his tapes, the popularity of his tapes and the numbers of people training with him speak for themselves.. seems Mike does OK picking good people to work with... Professor Presas used to tell us that Modern Arnis was the art within your art..and no two of us would look the same, for we would each find our part of that truth of the art.. Joe has his part of his art.. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 21:18:00 -0700 (MST) From: "Jeff T. Inman" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Cc: jti@ncgr.org Subject: [Eskrima] Re: "educated" training partners Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net TomMeadows > At the Inosanto Academy one of the first lessons you learn is that it is > just as important to learn how to feed techniques as it is to receive them. > The experienced students hook up with a good partner who can feed them > properly and the speed of learning is greatly increased. It can easily take > a year or more to develop this kind of training rapport with a partner. > > These skills become critically important when doing demonstrations because > if you want to present the techniques with speed and power, your partner has > to be precisely positioned for self preservation during the demo. The > second most critical demonstration skill is to position yourself correctly > following the execution of a technique. A knee to the groin will normally > bend someone over. If your partner does not bend over when you demonstrate > the knee, then he then will be out of position for the follow-up headlock > and your presentation of flow goes down the toilet. Dude. I know you're for real, so don't take this personally. I pretty much lost interest in training martial arts in a class setting, after several years with the Dog Brothers, precisely because of this kind of "educated" training partner that you find in classes. My experience with adrenalinized opponents has taught me that they don't act at all like they are supposed to. They don't bend over when their ribs are broken, for example. They don't stop fighting when the frikking wind is knocked out of them, until 10 or 15 seconds later when their body runs out of anaerobic juice. They don't do any of the things that training partners do, because they aren't training! You probably know all this from your experience, as well. So, doesn't it bug you to see techniques presented that seem to depend on an opponent that is pliable and ready to "respond" by bending over violently, or drawing back in surprise at each strike? Cripes! If someone that I had to fight was going to stand there and let me have a good shot at them like that, I wouldn't want to waste it with a "technique". You know what I mean? Or, rather, if the opponent is that loose, they probably aren't really a serious threat. There's a scene in Saving Private Ryan that impressed the hell out me (no doubt the opening section has to impress the hell out of anyone) ... but there's a scene where some guys are trying to climb onto a tank and they get mowed down by a 20mm canon, and their bodies do not fall limply. The bodies fall rigid and hard, even though they have been smashed up horribly. To me, that looks almost *too* authentic. It's scary as hell, because it looks real. Adrenalinized people are hard and stiff and rigid, just like that, and they don't flinch much when hurt. I guess most of us strive through our training to attain a more fluid presence in crisis, a capability to move and react in a fight, and so maybe an experienced opponent does look more pliable. So, maybe using a pliable opponent for demonstration could be an attempt to convey a more seasoned opponent. But the seasoned guy (of whatever gender) also knows that if the attacker gets you to react to the first shot, he's probably got something else coming after it, too, so you had better start doing something surprising pretty quick. Whatever. Maybe we agree about all this. I don't watch technique tapes much, but there was a funny bit in a Burton Richardson tape, where he's joking about how eskrima students laugh at the phony-looking punch feeds that you see in karate drills, or whatever, and then they say, "okay, so suppose I'm attacking with a stick ..." and he holds the stick out in one of those phony-looking angle-1's, exactly the way you've seen it done thousands of times in classes, but never ONCE in a fight. Ha! Regards, Jeff [Been lurking for a long time. Time to post again.] --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest