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List-Unsubscribe: Status: OR Send Eskrima mailing list submissions to eskrima@martialartsresource.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net You can reach the person managing the list at eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Eskrima digest..." <<------------- The Eskrima Digest mailing list ------------->> Serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). http://InayanEskrima.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Counter to proposed regulation of the martial arts (AnimalMac@aol.com) 2. Re: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #28 - 6 msgs (hudginsg) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: AnimalMac@aol.com Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:59:08 EST To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: [Eskrima] Counter to proposed regulation of the martial arts Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >From Marc Animal MacYoung Hey folks, every now and then revenge-seeking fruitcake comes up with the idea of getting their state legislator to push for establishing a regulatory board for the martial arts. One of the major bones of contention is having a karate guy deciding if you are qualified to teach your art...or even if your art is a legitimate one. There is massive hue and cry from the MA community and everytime it is brought up it is fought down again by Internet alert and counter campaigns of letter writing. This wheel is reinvented time and time again. Thing is, a few years ago Florida did a feasibility study about doing this very thing. And their finding?...Forget it, it's impossible. It is a can of worms which once opened will turn into a nightmare for the government. Now popular resistance is one way to get a politician to sit up and take notice...on the other hand, it's better when combined with asking him "Do you really want to be the guy who pushed through legislation that turned into a massive -- and expensive -- circle jerk for the government? Especially after you were shown a feasibility study on it?" Talk about a kiss of death for a political career. Anyway, there has been widespread interest on this topic, so I ask my wife Dianna Gordon MacYoung to dig up the exact name and number of this study. Thank her for the work. I'm just passing it on. The next time someone goes on a binge about regulating the martial arts, here is the information about where you can get the study to soundly beat them around the head and shoulders while shouting "BAD IDEA! BAD IDEA!" Keep it on file...because I don't think the wife will be willing to do it again. In fact, you might want to post this post onto other email lists/forums that you are on. Moral outrage is one thing, a black and white report saying it's a foolish idea is even better. ******************** Dianna Gordon MacYoung Here's what we have. I'm asking **** if we have a copy of the report. If not, the next best thing is calling the legislative audit bureau in Florida and seeing if they have one. ***************************** DOCUMENT: RCH9517641 TITLE: Sunrise Study on the Proposal to Establish Regulation of Martial Arts Instruction STATE OF ORIGIN: FL DATE: 941101 PERSONAL AUTHOR: Unlisted ORGAN. AUTHOR: Committee on Business and Professional Regulation SCOPE: CA FL IL LA NY FE DC FO LENGTH: 60 pp. FORMAT: Abstract INCLUDES: Illus, Bibliog, Statutes TOPICS: OCCUPATIONAL LICENSING, SELF DEFENSE, SPORTS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Sunrise Study on the Proposal to Establish Regulation of Martial Arts Instruction This report examines a proposal to regulate martial arts instructors in Florida. There are an estimated 600 martial arts schools in the state. There is no overall organization of authority for the numerous disparate styles of martial arts, although there is usually a particular certifying organization to which the individual schools belong. Florida has no state, federal, or local regulation of the practice of martial arts instruction. Any complaints relative to these schools are handled by the Division of Consumer Services in the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services. The division has received 15 such complaints in the last three years, primarily having to do with contract disputes. The report does not recommend regulation of martial arts instruction at this time, because it finds no significant incidence of actual harm. ********************** Marc Animal MacYoung http://www.diac.com/~dgordon --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "hudginsg" To: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:49:18 -0600 Organization: Microsoft Corporation Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #28 - 6 msgs Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net , Response to the following: > << Addy Hernandez is fit, appropriately dressed, and technically qualified. > Anybody that can't over her gender or height in the tapes is a wee bit of > an undeveloped human being and not an ideal marketing target in any event. > >> > Personally, I am a bit tired of all this gender BS. My late teacher, > Terry Gibson, used his wife, Cathy as his training partner on many of his > videos. I have been to seminars with Guru Dan and no one got huffy when he > used Paula I. to demonstrate on. Both are tough knowledgeable people, that > have been training many years, should they take a back seat because they are > women, or small in stature? If that isn't the most sexist, chauvinistic view > there is, please tell me of it. Mr. Simonet introduces Ms. Hernandez as his > protigi, should he have skipped over her to use some 250 LB green belt? Jerry > Poteet, in his JKD series uses his a lady that was his protigie as a demo > partner, no one hit the ceiling about that. Hey, time out. I don't think some of you got what ms. j. was trying to say. She was not saying women should take a back seat, in fact she was saying they should take the front seat for the purpose of the publicity picture. She was talking about a man, kicking the s.... out of a woman in a picture to be put in a news paper. Yes, I would not like to go up against Paula Inosanto. At a seminar, she disarmed me during a drill, and I still don't know how she did it -- So effortlessly! I am impressed with Paula Inosanto and only wished I was half as good as she is. Forget the political correctness of woman vs. men, and look at what was trying to be accomplished. Here my little story. Janie parent takes her son to a karate demostration to see if she is going to sign up Johnnie for Karate lessons. Mr. Sensei comes out on the floor and uses one of his ninety pound 10 year olds as his demostration partner. The ten year old promptly uses a side kick to attack his instructor, the instructor catches the leg of the student, and then sweeps the other leg, sending the little boy to the floor with a thud where the instructor (with control and stopping less than an inch away from the face ) punches the child . This scene is repeated with several other techniques. Was Janie able to get an idea of what her son might be able to do, or did she get the idea the Mr. Sensei would just use her son as target practice? WILL JANIE PARENT BE LIKELY TO SIGN UP HER SON? Ms. J was talking about getting "women" to come to a class on "women's self defense" and for that reason a picture of the instructor kicking a woman is NOT A GOOD MARKETING TECHNIQUE. The secret here is marketing technique, not that a woman is not a good self defense partner for demonstration purposes in front of other martial artists. Joan Adverturious sees the picture of the man kicking the woman in the paper. She thought it was a good idea to attend a self defense class, but not this one, the picture showed a woman getting kicked. She might get hurt if she was in that class. No she would never have gotten a black belt, but she might have learned something from the class that would have helped her. Maybe she would have only learned a sense of awareness that would have kept her out of a dangerous situation, but she did not go to the class. Terry Timid sees the picture of the woman sweeping the large man to the floor in the newspaper. The article said this was a self defense program for women by women. She decided to give it a try, since this little woman seemed to be handling herself against the larger guy. She came and even after the class could not throw one "effective" technique to save her life.../ But she learned basic awareness information that possibly could save her life. Stop with the political correctness. No one said women can't do these things, no one said that women can't be good demonstration partners. The article/ picture was directed not to experianced martial artists, but to uninformed and uneducated (in the martial arts). It is just that YOU HAVE TO GET PEOPLE TO CLASS TO TEACH THEM ANYTHING. It just does not make good marketing sense if you are trying to get the timid, uninformed, (women or men) who would greatly benefit from a self defense class to scare them away before they get to the class. my two cents. G Hudgins --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest