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Inay (1944-2000). http://InayanEskrima.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Forwarding Msg (Seraksatu@aol.com) 2. Re: To the members of the Eskrima Digest. (johnaleen) 3. Re: re-certifying, at least my experience (Scott Kinney) 4. Kuntaw ng Pilipinas (Kyud) 5. Kim's objections (AnimalMac@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Seraksatu@aol.com Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:17:47 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Forwarding Msg Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Selamat Mas Terry You bet, of course it is always great for folks to read information. Good to see forums have much informmation, postings and suggestions from many folks. How others view things, is a good way to either go with it or discard pending on which side of the fence a person is. Thank God for the United States, freedom of speech. Some good and some not so good. Does our US of A, the greatest country as of today, my opinion of course. If it is the truth, it can fall and expose like a reckon ball on those who embellish and Lie. Hormat Pak Vic --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "johnaleen" To: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:51:03 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: To the members of the Eskrima Digest. Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net To the members of the Eskrima Digest. Below is a link to an address for a fundraising event. an associate in the FMA is trying to organize a marital arts charity exposition (self-defense demonstrations~ workshops, etc.) the event is to raise funds for our fallen heroes' children of the World Trade Center attack of 9-11-01. The event is being organized by: Detective Richard Vazquez, of the (NYPD). One of the things he has asked for is marketing and to have help spread the word, the first link on this page: http://www.f-a-t-e.org/articals/victims/terrorisim.html goes to a letter that was posted by Detective Vazquez. The direct link to the letter is here: http://www.f-a-t-e.org/articals/victims/ricardvasquez.html I am stuck at home this next 6 weeks recovering from surgery so I need to market as much as I can on line. As soon as they, pic dates and start to organize the program I have offered to do the desktop publishing and flyers for marketing the program. Detective Vazquez will be sending me there graphics and so forth soon, I would like to ask the members here to have a look at his letter, if your interested in helping please contact Detective Vazquez, all of his contact information can be found on his letter. I would also ask the members here to help market his letter and send out the address to others that you might know that would be interested in some how helping with the event. http://www.f-a-t-e.org/articals/victims/terrorisim.html Thank you, Ms. J. www.f-a-t-e.org ps.. I also understand Detective Vazquez and Guro J. Vazquez hold a Kali seminar in NY City each Sunday. Unfortunetly, I sort of have to hang out here for 6 weeks before I can go.:) --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 02 10:31:37 +0000 From: "Scott Kinney" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: re-certifying, at least my experience Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I have a couple of instructor-type certificates that require a re-certification every 12-18 months. They're pretty informal, have not required additional fees. The goal is simply to insure that I've maintained or (hopefully) improved my performance and expertise. In this, I don't see this as any different arrangement than other professional certificates that have continuing education/hours of operation/publishing/retesting requirements. I look at it as the certifying body's desire or responsibility to make sure they are being represented by skilled, effective people.    -------------------------------------------------- Scott Kinney Project Manager, Amateur Barbarian sakinney@ix.netcom.com -------------------------------------------------- --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Kyud" To: Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 00:48:28 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Kuntaw ng Pilipinas Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Greetings to all. Maharlika Publications is now offering Kuntaw ng Pilipinas 'The Beginners Guide' and Kuntaw ng Pilipinas 'Advanced' at http://maharlikapublication.tripod.com or at the Kuntaw Academy site http://kuntaw_academy.tripod.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: AnimalMac@aol.com Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 20:42:53 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Kim's objections Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >From Marc A MacYoung Kim Satterfield << Again, I REALLY hesitated to write this, but after so many posts relating to Mr. Plinck's skills in Silat, I had to post this...I hope it doesn't piss too many folks off, and I sincerely mean no disrespect at all. BUT, I have seen Mr. Plinck's previous tapes, and I am sorry, but I just don't get it. I was not impressed by him at all, and in fact, the tapes nearly put me to sleep...what am I missing????? I watched each tape with eager anticipation, and was sorely disappointed. After the first tape, I thought to myself, "what's up with all the noise about this guy?" I would not recommend his tapes to anyone with a sincere interest in martial arts. >Sorry folks, and no disrespect to you, Mac. >> Absolutely no problem Kim. The thing is that I was working with the coach of the Belgian National Wu Shu team who had himself seen the tape and not understood it. After we worked out and I showed him the things to look for that he went "Oh yeah...I see it now. Oh wow..." Danny Inasanto himself said - if I remember his exact words -- that silat looks like BJJ done badly. About a week ago, I had a 5th Dan in Isshin Ryu watch me get dribbled. He got a look of distain on his face as I was hitting the deck. I talked to him later and said "I bet you think that I don't know how to fall." He admitted that was the case and I laughed and said "I know how to fall, thing is the way he was throwing me there is no way to fall softly" (I do know how to fall, I was even in advanced gymnastics in high school specializing in tumbling on top of my MA training). Thing was he didn't see the difference between what he knew and what was really happening. To him it just looked like I was falling badly when in fact, the physics had been signficantly altered. Those minute little tweaks spell the difference between a nice soft fall and a slam. The thing is silat in general and Serak in specific is a matter of inches. It looks exactly like a (fill in the blank) that you have been hit by or thrown thousands of times. Right until the moment you find yourself flying through the air wondering "whathafu... BLAM!" I never have been able to finish my thought before I slam into the deck. You scramble up with a sense of "what the hell was that and HOW do I do it?" Thing is it is not muscle. But there is no way to describe the feeling of what it is when it is done correctly. I can give you words, but those same words are misleading if you say to yourself "I know that already." A prime example of this is the Simonet tapes. Thing is Simonet is acknowledged as one hell of a good kempo player by the other players I have spoken to. What he was doing however, was not serak as I understand it. What I could best sum it up as is "silatized kempo." This is also the same reaction I get from my Wing Chun friends on his slam set although I myself haven't seen those (Remembering that I studied Wing Chun under Hawkins Cheung back when we had to hop from foot to foot while the earth's crust was cooling I still have people to ask these things). The thing is he is using all the terms and yet, if you know what to look for, his body mechanics are doing something totally different. It's hard to describe but there is a whole lot more muscle there than there is proper angles and body mechanics. A human body using muscle and mass moves differently than one that is using structure, body mechanics and angles. What he is doing is strongly influenced by his kempo training. It's hard to describe over email, but my best suggestion is to watch Simonet's tape side by side with Steve Plinck's and see if you can see the difference in how they move. Muscle moves are fast, jerky and tend to fly apart when done at speed. Whereas moves along the proper angles tend to accelerate and flow faster. In fact, when you have the angles, instead of your djurus flying apart as you go faster, you end up tightening down the faster you go. Kind of like the emplosion that sets off an atomic blast. I will give you the same tidbit that was given to me when I asked Richard Dobson how Steve was making them fly so fiercely in the Bukti tape. "Imagine a barrel that is spinning so fast that it looks like it is sitting still. Now what would happen if you put your hand on it?" If you watch the Bukti tape closely you will begin to see that Steve's arms are not doing the throw, it is his use of angles and the minute twitches of his body that are causing the guy to be uprooted and thrown. In those barely perceptible actions he is delivering his entire mass and momentum, which is what blows the guy off his feet. His arms are just accleratiing the fall. I do understand the feeling of "what is he talking about?" when I talk about this stuff. The thing is, the differences between what you know and what you are seeing are really, really subtle...but boy are they powerful. I know because I get tossed around by him like a ragdoll when he comes out here to teach us in Colorado. And I don't know about you, but the times I got slammed the hardest was when something was coming at me that I thought to myself "oh that's a (blank) and this is what you do to counter that" only to discover that it may have looked like one thing, but it was something else entirely. Hope this explains my position a little better. And don't worry about pissing me off for disagreeing with me. That keeps me thinking. Marc MacYoung --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest