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Today's Topics: 1. BAKBAKAN FMA Tournament in New Jersey (Justo370@aol.com) 2. Re: Justus Department 1997 pepper spray evaluation (johnaleen) 3. Re: inside sweep (sdrape@kbs-filipino-martial-systems.org) 4. Re: Re: inside sweep (Ray Terry) 5. Re: Re: pepper spray evaluations (jason-couch@comcast.net) 6. what a heel (Ray Terry) 7. Off subject question (Sheldon Bedell) 8. testing Procedures (Sheldon Bedell) 9. (no subject) (Luis Pellicer III) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Justo370@aol.com Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 00:12:26 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] BAKBAKAN FMA Tournament in New Jersey Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net For all serious practitioners in the Filipino Martial Arts who are interested in full contact sparring, BAKBAKAN Martial Arts Center NAHQ in Lodi, New Jersey is proud to announce its annual event, "MASTERS OF THE BLADE", a Filipino Martial Arts Invitational Tournament scheduled in March 2002(final date to be provided later). Scheduled Events are as follows: Forms; Self-Defense; Solo Baston (Single Stick Sparring); Knife Sparring; and Espada y Daga (Sword and Dagger Sparring). The events for Men will be divided by the following weight classes: flyweight; lightweight; middleweight; and heavyweight. There will also be a Womens division per event (depending upon the amount of ladies that enroll). All prospective participants should contact Punong Reynaldo S. Galang, the Chief Instructor of BAKBAKAN Martial Arts Center NAHQ in Lodi, New Jersey at (973) 253-1946; or via email at email@bakbakan.com. For further details regarding the rules and costs for enrolling in this tournament, as well as the final date for enrollment, please check the website at a later date: www.bakbakan.com. Remember, this tournament is only one Month away. So if you are serious about participating and potentially winning, then start your training now and showcase your talents. We look forward to seeing you there. May GOD Bless you. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "johnaleen" To: Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 07:28:07 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Justus Department 1997 pepper spray evaluation Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Justus Department 1997 pepper spray evaluation http://www.ncjrs.org/pdffiles/162358.pdf I believe ray forwarded the below address and report the other day here, i have over the years read a number of oc spray reports from the Justus department and other areas, and they seem to vary greatly, for instance, if you read the one the Justus department put out below, then go back to the one above that they put out in 97.....:( *** Ray fowareded add: > A recent DOJ study on OC spray at: http://www.ncjrs.org/pdffiles1/nij/188069.pdf *** Ms. J. Bows Deeply " though still" being un-behaved..........:) --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: 3 Feb 2002 05:20:42 -0800 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: sdrape@kbs-filipino-martial-systems.org Subject: [Eskrima] Re: inside sweep Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sweep block- I think part of the difference we are seeing between people who say they use it and people who say they don't is stylistic in nature. Most, if not all of the guys saying they use it seem to be either Serrada or Inayan people. These styles tends to work at the media ranges, where the block-check-hit pattern is very common. Since this is where you train, and where you feel comfortable being, it seems logical that the technique is something you might be prepared to use. For others who, on the other hand, work at larga range, for example, any attack that comes in would either be dealt with with a strike to the hand/wrist/arm or would be avoided entirely. A block would not happen. If it was such a surprise that you had to block, the block would likely be anything you could get in the way, and would not flow into anything. If the attacker gets so close that he is sure to make contact, then we would probably crash in, and deal with close range- again, avoiding the sweep block and c-hand check. Anybody have thoughts on that? Steve --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: inside sweep To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 8:16:33 PST Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Sweep block- > I think part of the difference we are seeing between people who say they > use it and people who say they don't is stylistic in nature. Most, if not > all of the guys saying they use it seem to be either Serrada or Inayan > people. These styles tends to work at the media ranges, where the > block-check-hit pattern is very common. Since this is where you train, > and where you feel comfortable being, it seems logical that the technique > is something you might be prepared to use. > For others who, on the other hand, work at larga range, for example, any > attack that comes in would either be dealt with with a strike to the > hand/wrist/arm or would be avoided entirely. A block would not happen. If > it was such a surprise that you had to block, the block would likely be > anything you could get in the way, and would not flow into anything. If the > attacker gets so close that he is sure to make contact, then we would > probably crash in, and deal with close range- again, avoiding the sweep > block and c-hand check. I believe you have hit it on the head. In Inayan we work in all ranges, but the Serrada component of the system tends to be close (obviously). Using a third party definition, many probably have Ciriaco "Cacoy" Canete's book Doce Pares: Basic Eskrima - Arnis - Kali - Pangolisi (which just happens to to be here beside my iMac). On page 27 GM Cacoy defines close range as one arm length between the protagonists, medium as two arms length, long range as three arms length between the protagonists. This inside sweep and checking hand block is a close range technique. In medium range I would rather use an Inayan Dequerdas block or a Doce Pares forehand block instead of Serrada's inside sweep w/checking c-hand. This was my earlier point about trying to enter from long range to close range against someone swinging with intent (i.e. hard, fast and on target). Not easy to time. Thus one must have several tools in the toolbox or every problem will seem to require a hammer... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 10:13:18 -0500 From: jason-couch@comcast.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: pepper spray evaluations To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Ms.J: I mainly skimmed, but I didn't notice any glaring inconsistencies, particularly considering the methodologies and purposes of the respective studies.....little help? Jason Couch > http://www.ncjrs.org/pdffiles/162358.pdf > they seem to vary greatly, for instance, if > you read the one the Justus department put out below, then go back to the > one above that they put out in 97.....:( > *** > Ray fowareded add: > A recent DOJ study on OC spray at: > http://www.ncjrs.org/pdffiles1/nij/188069.pdf --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 10:11:30 PST Subject: [Eskrima] what a heel Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Anyone else ever encounter this? I've recently developed a tightness along the back of the right leg. e.g. when going into a karate front stance there is a very sharp sensation in the rear/bottom of the right heel. Not in the portion of the Achilles to the rear of the ankle, but farther down in the heel. It feels like a knife is being stabbed into this area of the heel. The pain isn't really all that bad, just rather uncomfortable. I don't recall an injury or feeling like I pulled a hamstring during a recent workout. Strange... ?? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: slbedell@webtv.net (Sheldon Bedell) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 13:39:07 -0500 (EST) To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Off subject question Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Anyone remember the Chicago Dojo Wars and Count Dante? Am in a discussion on another forum on this subject So as not to tie up this fourm please reply to me by e-mail at slbedell@webtv.net or tshadowchaser@yahoo.com Thanks Sheldon --__--__-- Message: 8 From: slbedell@webtv.net (Sheldon Bedell) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 15:06:03 -0500 (EST) To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] testing Procedures Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net In answer to mr. Silverman's questions: 1. In the early part of their training my students tests are purely physical. As they progress in training and experence I expect them to know more : basic anatomy, first aid,history of our art and my lineage. Where my art or my training has touched other arts I like my students to know someting of those arts also. 2. Depending upon the level of the test I may do it myslef or invite other Black Belts from our organisation to partake. Tests last till I am satified or until the student has given all and then some. 3. Students are prepared for testing by being in class and doing there best they are not told when they will test.Some times I do not decide to test till have way into class, at other times I set it up weeks in advance (if haveing other black belts attend) but the student never knows. 4. As for being an instructor when gaining their Black. They are taught from a coupleof months after they join to instruct. They are given the responsibility of a new student and under supervision they teach .If the newbe dosn't learn enough to get promoted the higher rank will find his learning slowed greatly. Teachcing and passing on the knowledge is part of of there learning experence --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 11:41:00 +0800 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: Luis Pellicer III Subject: [Eskrima] (no subject) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Personally, I like my Mickey Mouse t-shirts. Adds to the "UUYYYY" factor. >Because guys like Tshirts that say "knife guild, knifefighter, blademaster, >master of arms, knife warrior, get the edge, edgewise, cutting edge, warrior, >blade awareness, etc. , etc., etc.,. > >It is just like words like American Samurai or Street Karate. Think about it. >I mean, really think about it. This is just a question, like Marc's above, >but is everyone letting their testicles speak for their approach to martial >arts marketing? > >Tom Furman --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest