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Today's Topics: 1. hot/cold compression (kalkiusa@netscape.net) 2. So near yet so far (Marc Denny) 3. Re: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #47 - 4 msgs (Eagle556@aol.com) 4. Re: So near yet so far (Ray Terry) 5. Stories (Ray Terry) 6. another reminder (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 09:59:04 -0500 From: kalkiusa@netscape.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] hot/cold compression Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net For any injury, always apply cold first. Immediately after any injury, use cold for the next 3 days. After that the hot/cold action is OK. Otherwise we increase any initial and continuing inflammation&swelling and slow the healing process (i.e., by applying heat too soon). Ray, the site of your concern sounds like the Achilles insertion. Do you do calf raises? Been skipping rope lately after not skipping for a while? What about footwork drills? Been doing/demonstrating any that you haven't worked in awhile? Are both feet involved? You can put sciatica and/or hamstring low in the list of possibilities. If both feet are involved you can rule out sciatica altogether. Sciatica may extend pain into the calf muscles because of the nerve route ... and then the problem would be sacroiliac, not hamstring (although hamstring spasms can insult the same nerves at a lower point in their route). Time to see the osteo or ortho man mon. Given no identifiable cause, self treatement not a good idea. Just my umble $0.02 worth. Mitakuye Oyasin. Be well, Mik -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 15:42:29 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] So near yet so far Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof All: Tom & Jeff's (Sleeping Dog) friendly exchange on the subject of cooperative training led to several interesting posts on the inside sweep. I just got back from a couple of days of exchanging techniques and so come to the party a bit late, but wanted to add my yip to the general din. For me the question about the inside sweep and the plethora of media range techniques shown off of the inside sweep often presents itself in the form of doubts that one would have stopped the forward motion of the stick. Most techniques taught require that one stay in front of the opponent's stick, yet a stick wielded with intention more often is swinging through. Thus, in DBMA the convention for the feeder in media range is to swing through, and not stop mid-way and more than punches should be locked out----cooperative training should allow one to study and explore positions that have relevance. As Arlan (and his guestimates of numbers of fights seen is pretty accurate BTW) and Jeff note, the media sweep is not seen as is typically demonstrated. And as Arlan notes, there is a difference between a sweep and a block. The motion and meaning of the sweep can well be understood as Doc Fung describes-- the motion arrives at the opponent's weapon hand by way of the head. Done thusly, I suspect Ray's comment about the technique being a corto range technique is another way of saying the same or similar thing, as are Jeff and Arlan's doubts about it as seen in most FMA schools-- at media range. And understood as Doc F describes, the plethora of techniques that flow out of it begin to make sense. Like all answers, this one raises another question: In real time how does one get where one can whack the opponent in the head with a forehand on the way to meeting his forehand in a timely manner? Woof, Crafty Dog PS: Coincidentally enough, , , , ahem, , , , the next video in the Dog Brothers Martial Arts series is done. It is called "Attacking Blocks". As soon as we have the buttons for it on our website, I will post further about it. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Eagle556@aol.com Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 21:53:08 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #47 - 4 msgs Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net <<< 1.) When you test your student for various levels, is the test purely physical?>>> No the tests that I administer are not purely physical. Most of my experience administering tests took place with Mike Inay students and students of Mike's students. I tested a number of students for various levels. And as I was testing students for Mike I followed Mike's guidelines. I have also adopted a number of his guidelines for my own. All tests include a physical portion and a question and answer portion. Some of the tests include a written portion as well. The tests evolved over the years. When I first began training with Mike there was no rank structure. You were either Mike or a student. We had a saying back then in that your stick spoke for you. Everyone knew where everyone else was at and hence there wasn't much need for rank. We were all just happy to be training. Actually I preferred the no rank structure. Then he implemented the instructor rank. After a few years of that he instituted the six levels of rank structure. Later when I was serving in the Army I would visit during my leaves and he would have me test students for various levels. I guess it was my gentle nature that persuaded Mike to have me test various students. <<<2.) Do you question them to test their knowledge on the concepts behind the arts?>>> I believe that as the student progresses in the art their knowledge on the concepts behind the techniques becomes more and more important. <<<3.) What else is included?>>> As I said before I also test them on their historical knowledge and general knowledge of the FMAs. I do believe it is important for them to know where their art came from and how the different settings and personalities might have affected their art and its' development. I am amazed at the amount of FMAs practitioners that I come across that have no idea where their art came from or who their instructor's instructor was. I generally end each class with a question and answer period so as to reinforce their basic historical knowledge. There are also basic anatomy questions and conceptional questions as well particuarly at the higher levels. <<<4.) How long does an average "test" last?>>> Not very long. I have always believed that as an instructor I should have a very good idea as to what the student is and isn't capable of. True the test does provide a certain amount of stress particularly in cases where I would drop by Mike's class and administer tests to individuals that I hadn't worked out with previously. But if the student and I are in constant contact then I already know for the most part where they stand as far as their capabilities go. The training that I conduct is at times somewhat stressful. So before I give any type of tests I have already observed how the student for the most part deals with stress. But then again you never fully know how a student will react under different stressful scenarios. And in some situations a longer test will provide more confidence building to the student. <<<5.) How do you prepare your students for their upcoming "tests / quizes" ?>>> The only test I really care about is if they are attacked and have to defend themselves. The vast majority of my training is geared towards that final objective. You could call it learning objective number one. If I have properly trained the student then the tests will take care of themselves. <<<6.) If the "test" is for instructor "Black Belt Level" {Sorry to those who shun belts!} do they automatically become an instructor or is there a test that determines whether or not the candidate is able to transfer the information learned to others in an effective, proper, and safe manner?>>> No they don't automatically become an instructor. I have always believed that if you are going to be promoted to instructor level then you should have the ability to instruct. At one time Mike toyed with the idea of having two different levels at the top of the rank structure. One who possessed the ability to instruct would be awarded the instructor rank and one who could not instruct but was proficient in everything else would simply be considered an Eskrimador. To my mind the ultimate test of an instructor is to produce a quality student who subsequently can become an instructor themselves. Once I see that my student is capable of producing a good Eskrimador and hopefully a good instructor then I will promote that person to the instructor level. Plus at the senior levels there is a requirement for CPR and basic first aid knowledge. There are also requirements for basic firearms knowledge, the potential consequences of having to use your skills, and under what circumstances you are able to apply the various levels of force, i.e. use of force continuum. My goal as an instructor is to produce students that are better than me, particuarly better instructors, and consequently will carry on the art in a proud and useful manner. Take care, Rob. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] So near yet so far To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 19:51:38 PST Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Most techniques taught require that one stay in front of the opponent's > stick, yet a stick wielded with intention more often is swinging through. Agreed. If your inside sweep doesn't work in this situation, then you don't have an inside sweep. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 20:42:20 PST Subject: [Eskrima] Stories Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Later when I was serving in the Army I would visit during my leaves and he > would have me test students for various levels. I guess it was my gentle > nature that persuaded Mike to have me test various students. Folks, you should hear the stories the old time Inayan folks tell about Rob... I suspect it was more of 'if you can survive any test Rob gives you, you have certainly moved on to the next level'. :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 20:43:08 PST Subject: [Eskrima] another reminder Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Just another -gentle- reminder to please update the subject line on your posts. Thanks. 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