Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 02:06:29 -0800 (PST) From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #62 - 2 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sender: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: Inayan Eskrima / FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. List-Unsubscribe: Status: OR Send Eskrima mailing list submissions to eskrima@martialartsresource.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net You can reach the person managing the list at eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Eskrima digest..." <<-------------- The Eskrima/FMA mailing list -------------->> Serving the Internet since June 1994. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). http://InayanEskrima.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Update- US-GI's in the Philippines (Michael Enad) 2. Larynx choke hold (TomMeadows) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Michael Enad" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 18:37:00 Subject: [Eskrima] Update- US-GI's in the Philippines Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net For those of you who are following the action in the PI. http://www.sunstar.com.ph/news/news_article.php3?id=14853 Michael Wood Kris Swords _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "TomMeadows" To: Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 13:57:54 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Larynx choke hold Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Greetings, There are several real world problems with the larynx choke hold. From a medical standpoint there is risk of death from two causes. The first being the mechanical collapse (destruction) of the windpipe, and the second being the swelling shut of the windpipe caused by non-destructive crushing trauma. Every eskrima tournament I have ever attended has had at least one injury to the trachea from thrusts. These injuries require the victim of be closely monitored for one full hour to establish that throat swelling is not occurring. The swelling eliminates the ability of the person to speak and makes it very difficult for them to communicate the onset of the swelling, hence the need to be monitored. The amount of leverage provided by the knee in the back is far in excess of the amount of force needed to crush the windpipe. If the choke is used in conjunction with baton it can make it very difficult to safely control the amount of force used. The windpipe choke elicits a very strong and violent panic response, more so than a standard blood choke, and the typical repines is to increase the pressure even further to control the thrashing. The carotid blood choke has been proven fatal on several occasions due to the subject having weak blood vessels which collapsed and did not re-expand when the choke was released. In the case of some people the amount of plaque in the blood vessels walls can cause them to stick together when crushed and not re-expand upon release, again with fatal results. A blood choke can take anywhere from 4 to 20 seconds to take effect depending on the skill of the choker and the subject's physiology. From personal experience( as the subject) I can tell you that a wind choke is faster and more reliable and is effective in around 6 to 8 seconds. Both of these types of chokes are fairly risky at all levels which is why there are so many departmental rules regarding their use. Tom Meadows --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest