Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 06:15:02 -0800 (PST) From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #68 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sender: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: Inayan Eskrima / FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Today's Topics: 1. "Normal" people (Marc Denny) 2. Villabrille-Largusa Kali (Mark Harrell) 3. Mrs. J's List (Toastyrp@aol.com) 4. Warrior Creed (Bill McG) 5. Eskrido book ..... 'lil help (James Hudgens) 6. (no subject) (ray adorna) 7. Pak Vic in Massachusetts (Buddy Tripp) 8. Re: Eskrido book ..... 'lil help (Mike Casto) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 08:26:49 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] "Normal" people Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof All: Tom wrote: > Greetings, > > There are several real world problems with the larynx choke hold. From a > medical standpoint there is risk of death from two causes. The first being > the mechanical collapse (destruction) of the windpipe, and the second being > the swelling shut of the windpipe caused by non-destructive crushing > trauma. > > Every eskrima tournament I have ever attended has had at least one injury to > the trachea from thrusts. These injuries require the victim of be closely > monitored for one full hour to establish that throat swelling is not > occurring. The swelling eliminates the ability of the person to speak and > makes it very difficult for them to communicate the onset of the swelling, > hence the need to be monitored. > > The amount of leverage provided by the knee in the back is far in excess of > the amount of force needed to crush the windpipe. If the choke is used in > conjunction with baton it can make it very difficult to safely control the > amount of force used. The windpipe choke elicits a very strong and violent > panic response, more so than a standard blood choke, and the typical repines > is to increase the pressure even further to control the thrashing. > > The carotid blood choke has been proven fatal on several occasions due to > the subject having weak blood vessels which collapsed and did not re-expand > when the choke was released. In the case of some people the amount of plaque > in the blood vessels walls can cause them to stick together when crushed and > not re-expand upon release, again with fatal results. > > A blood choke can take anywhere from 4 to 20 seconds to take effect > depending on the skill of the choker and the subject's physiology. From > personal experience( as the subject) I can tell you that a wind choke is > faster and more reliable and is effective in around 6 to 8 seconds. > > > Both of these types of chokes are fairly risky at all levels which is why > there are so many departmental rules regarding their use. > > Tom Meadows I remember when I first arrived in Los Angeles in 1982 that police chief Darryl Gates was questioned about why the choke hold killed a substantially disproportionate number of black people. His reply was that it did not affect them like "normal people". (!!!) LA's mayor at that time was Tom Bradley, who was black who had been a highly ranked police officer. I assumed that Gates would find his butt out of a job and on the street in a flash, but that was not to be. "Reforms" to "depoliticize" the police department made it impossible for him to fire Gates. Talk about the law of unintended consequences! Woof, Crafty Dog PS: Irrelevant tangent: The current bill to "reform" campaign finances is horrendous and will have huge unintended and destructive consequences if passed. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Mark Harrell" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net, johnaleen@hotmail.com Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 16:38:29 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Villabrille-Largusa Kali Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Johnaleen, Your list of Filipino Martial Arts has some confusion with regards to the Villabrille-Largusa Kali system. Your listed items shown as you numbered them below are one and the same system offically known as: Villabrille-Largusa Kali system Your listing: 61. Largusa 62. Largusa/Villabrille Kali 101. Villabrille System Thank you, Mark Harrell Pangulong Guro Harrell Academy Martial Arts *********************************************************************** From: "Johnaleen Castro" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 00:41:09 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Sub Systems and Styles of Filipino Martial Arts I am working on a book that covers our level one TAO SDA program in self defense and awareness, this program and book encourages the reader and student in this system to cross train in a long term realty based and traditional long term core arts after they have taken a core self defense and awarneness program... I am finishing the section on the Filipino martial arts this week. I have always known that the FMA was hugely diverse, but over the past 25 years it has grown, and very affluently as teachers evolved their systems, there are now over 100 different recognized systems and sub styles in the FMA... what I would like now though and why I am posting this letter, is if any of you have a system or know of one that is not on the list below to help me add to it… I would like to make this list as complete as possible, I have a week before this section has to be to my editor, so please if you have any additions I would highly appreciate everyones help… please feel free to email any additions and sugestions for this list to my new private email account at johnaleen@hotmail.com or Ms-J@f-a-t-e.org Thank you, Ms. J… bows deeply ps if i have spelled something incorrectly, please let me know but, try and be nice i would never spell something incorrect on purpose...... Sub Systems and Styles of Filipino Martial Arts 1. Abaniko de sunkite 2. Arnis Escorpizo 3. Arnis Fernandez 4. Arnis Lanada 5. Babao Arnis 6. Balintawak arnis 7. Balintawak arnis cuentada 8. Balintawak International 9. Balintawak super cuentada 10. Balintawok 11. Balsakan 12. Batangueno serrada 13. Bayson style 14. Bicolano arnis 15. Binas dynamic arnis 16. Bohol Method 17. Bultong 18. Buno 19. Castro Combat Eskrima 20. 'Cabales serrada escrima 21. Cadena de mano 22. CCEKA 23. Cinco tero arnis dama, 24. De campo uno-dos- tres orihinal 25. De Cuerdas 26. De cuerdas escrima 27. De pluma arnis 28. Defensor Method 29. Derobio eskrima 30. Doblete Rapillon 31. Doce Pares 32. Doce Pares Multy system 33. Dog Brothers Martial Art 34. Dumog 35. Escrido 36. Escrima/KunTao/Silat 37. Eskrima 38. F.A.T.E. Filipino Martial arts 39. Filipino Boxing and Dumog 40. Gabbo 41. Garimot Arnis 42. Garong 43. German Arnis 44. Giron escrima 45. Hagibis 46. Hinaplos arnis 47. Inayan System of Eskrima 48. Inayan Systems International 49. Indangan eskrima 50. Inosanto Kali 51. Kadena de Mano 52. Kali Ilustrisimo 53. Kombatan 54. Kun Tao Silat 55. Kuntaw Lima-Lima 56. Kupulubod 57. La 'Costa kali 58. Lameco eskrima 59. Lampugan 60. Lapunti arnis de abaniko 61. Largusa 62. Largusa/Villabrille kali 63. Lastra arnis 64. Layung 65. Lightning scientific arnis 66. Lema Scientific Kali Arnis 67. Mena arnis 68. Modern Arnis 69. Modern mano-mano 70. Moderno largos 71. Moro-Moro Orabes Heneral 72. Moro-Moro Style 73. Oido de Caburata Arnis Pananandata 74. Pananandata Marinas 75. Panantukan 76. Pangamut 77. Pantok 78. Pekiti-Tirsia 79. Purgos 80. Rigonan-Estalilla kabaroan 81. Rizal arnis 82. Sagasa 83. San Miguel Eskrima 84. Sayoc kali 85. Serrada Escrima 86. Siete pares arnis 87. Sikaran 88. Silaga 89. Sinayoup kali 90. SLD (Serrada, Largo Mano, De Cuerdas) 91. Sulite style 92. Sunkite arnis 93. Talahib 94. Tapado 95. Tendencia arnis-hilot 96. Tobosa kali/escrima 97. Toledo-Collado 98. Tulisan 99. Vee arnis 100. Vee-Arnis-Jitsu 101. Villabrille System 102. Visayan Style 103. Yaw-yan _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Toastyrp@aol.com Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:24:49 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Mrs. J's List Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello, Just a small error, Manong Ted Buot says that GM Anciong always called what he did "Balintawak Eskrima" not "Arnis". Thanks Rob --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:23:37 -0800 From: Bill McG To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Warrior Creed Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net There is an article on martial arts in the Marine Corp at: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26437 Regards, Tuhon Bill McGrath For more information visit the PTI web site at: http://www.pekiti-tirsia.com --__--__-- Message: 5 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 23:06:43 -0500 From: "James Hudgens" Organization: Lycos Mail (http://mail.lycos.com:80) Subject: [Eskrima] Eskrido book ..... 'lil help Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I have had a miserable time trying to get a copy of Cacoy Cañete's book on Eskrido. Is anyone out there directly associated with the Doce Pares organization that could help me out... offline of course :-) James Hudgens CIncinnati, OH Check out Cupid School where you will learn from Matchmaker's best and brightest. Good Luck! http://ecard.matchmaker.com/cupid0202/cupid0202.html --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 00:04:34 -0800 (PST) From: ray adorna To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] (no subject) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net please bear with me im new to mailing lists, but i was just curious; im studying eskrima now but im really interested in empty hand combat. Can anyone give me information on any filipino empty hand combative arts? ray adorna Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 7 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: Buddy Tripp Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 08:08:00 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Pak Vic in Massachusetts Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Pak Victor deThouars will be returning to Massachusetts where he will give a one day seminar in Pentjak Silat Serak. For more information please contact Buddy Tripp at BuddyTripp@lungmen.org. Hormat, Buddy --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 06:10:10 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Casto Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Eskrido book ..... 'lil help To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I'm not sure where to get the book at the moment ... but GM Cacoy will be in Dayton, Ohio on July 14th and may have some books with him (I can make no guarantees ... but he has had them with him in the past). Details about the seminar with GM Cacoy can be found at: http://www.asianfightingarts.com/seminars/eskrido Mike --- James Hudgens wrote: > I have had a miserable time trying to get a copy of > Cacoy Cañete's book on Eskrido. Is anyone out there > directly associated with the Doce Pares organization > that could help me out... offline of course :-) > > James Hudgens > CIncinnati, OH > > > > > Check out Cupid School where you will learn from > Matchmaker's > best and brightest. Good Luck! > > http://ecard.matchmaker.com/cupid0202/cupid0202.html > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima ===== Mike Casto Asian Fighting Arts - Texas Representative Nacogdoches, Texas --------------------------------- Asian Fighting Arts - http://www.asianfightingarts.com Lansdale's Self-Defense - http://www.joerlansdale.com/shenchuan Martial Arts Seminar Listings - http://www.guild-hall.com/seminars Martial Arts Schools Database - http://www.guild-hall.com/schools Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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