Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 01:59:05 -0800 (PST) From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #90 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sender: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: Inayan Eskrima / FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Today's Topics: 1. Re: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #89 - 11 msgs (Dieter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kn=FCttel?=) 2. Re: Re: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #89 - 11 msgs (Ray Terry) 3. Clarification for Dieter (Al Sardinas) 4. Validity of Instructor Certificate or RESPECT (Al Sardinas) 5. : [Eskrima] Legality of Using Closed Knife as Palm Stick (argyll@attbi.com) 6. Info on NC Kali/Eskrima/Silat (Christopher Nelson) 7. [Policedo] Habermehl tapes (Ray Terry) 8. National D-Day Museum (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 08:06:56 +0100 From: abanico-video-knuettel@t-online.de (Dieter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kn=FCttel?=) Organization: Abanico Video Productions To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #89 - 11 msgs Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >From: "bbsb" >To: >Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 21:32:02 -0500 >Subject: [Eskrima] Legality of Using Closed Knife as Palm Stick >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >Has anybody ever used, or know of someone who used, a closed combat folder >as a palm stick in a defensive situation? Consider the following scenario: A >belligerent drunk starts shoving you around, leaving you no choice but to >esort to physical violence to defend yourself, and to stop an unarmed assault >on the part of the drunk. You pull your closed combat folder and strike the >drunk several times in the biceps/triceps area and thigh area, thus ending the >assault. Hi, I don´t know from the legal side, but I really don´t think that you can stop a drunk person with guntings only. I think he will not feel them. Just my 2 cents Dieter Knüttel ABANICO Video Productions http://www.abanico.de http://www.modern-arnis.de --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #89 - 11 msgs To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 6:23:25 PST Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Folks, Please remember to update the subject line of your post before sending it out. Else the ToC (Table of Contents) at the head of each issue isn't of much use. Thanks. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Al Sardinas" To: Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 09:46:31 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Clarification for Dieter Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Dieter, I wrote "If I did not know better I would say your festival was the biggest fma event ever held." This means I think you had the biggest FMA event that was ever held period. This is based on my 28 year exposure to FMA's. If there was a bigger event, I do not know about it. Maybe one of our members might know. Thank you for the information on the sticks, one of your Landsmann (countryman), Ulrich sent me an email with the site information. Regarding my German, although I studied the language for 6 years in junior and high school and in college, I have forgotten most of what I learned, because that was 30 years ago. Now, I take advantage of all the translation software that is available. So sorry, If I gave you the wrong impression. But I do like the learning experience. Respectfully, Al Sardinas Student of Garimot System of Arnis --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Al Sardinas" To: Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 10:22:05 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Validity of Instructor Certificate or RESPECT Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Chris wrote his concerns about obtaining an instructor certificate in Cabales Serrada Eskrima from Khalid Kahn and wonders if the piece of paper carries respect. First, some questions: Do you in your honest opinion carry respect? Do you teach with respect? Do you respect others? Is your knowledge worthy of respect? Are you respectful of your limitations? Second, some answers (I will try to be nice and respectful) If someone has to question whether their instructor certificate received from their instructor is valid shows to me that this person is either naive or not worthy to be an instructor. It shows a disrespect of the person's instructor. It's like me asking if a diploma from Harvard is equal to a diploma from City U. We all know the answer but it does not belittle the value of the diploma from City U. Finally Chris, unless you are going to walk around with your certificate attached to your forehead, I say don't worry about your certificate. It's ultimate value is what you think of it and not others. If you are not satisfied in what you have obtained then there are many instructors out there that would welcome a concerned student such as yourself. Respectfully, Al Sardinas Student of Garimot System of Arnis --__--__-- Message: 5 From: argyll@attbi.com To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: : [Eskrima] Legality of Using Closed Knife as Palm Stick Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 19:35:12 +0000 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net This is one of those legal questions for which there is no simple answer. Generally speaking in the United States whether you defend yourself with the end of a closed knife, a beer bottle, or a stick picked up off the ground, the real issue is whether the force used was legally justified. (Of course juries may percieve different instruments differently.) Depending on the circumstances one could always face the threat of being charged with assault with a deadly weapon. States vary as to what constitutes a deadly weapon for purposes for this crime. In some states bare hands and feet qualify, in others some object must be involved even if its just the shoe on the foot. Section 210.0 of the Model Penal Code, as referenced in Black's Law Dictionary, defines "deadly weapon" as "[a]ny firearm, or other weapon, device, instrument, material or substance, whether animate or inanimate, which in the manner it is used or is intended to be used is known to be capable of producing death or serious bodily injury." (Black's Law Dict. (6th ed. 1990) p. 398, col. 1.) In California the courts have said that "a 'deadly weapon' is 'any object, instrument, or weapon which is used in such a manner as to be capable of producing and likely to produce, death or great bodily injury.' . . 'Some few objects, such as dirks and blackjacks, have been held to be deadly weapons as a matter of law; the ordinary use for which they are designed establishes their character as such. . . . 'Other objects, while not deadly per se, may be used, under certain circumstances, in a manner likely to produce death or great bodily injury. In determining whether an object not inherently deadly or dangerous is used as such, the trier of fact may consider the nature of the object, the manner in which it is used, and all other facts relevant to the issue." People v. Aguilar (1997) 16 Cal.4th 1023 Sorry for the legnth. This is just my personal opinion, if really concerned its always best to consult with a lawyer familiar with local laws. Best regards, Argyll PS I recently did some quick-and-dirty research on Findlaw.com on how possession of escrima sticks might be treated under Califoria law. If your interested the results are at: http://www.martialtalk.com/showthread.php?s=d5f063478a83d 6b49805b964c314eb19&postid=9419#post9419 (Bottom-line if stopped by the police be sure not to refer to them as weapons. Possible alternative might be "training stick") --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Christopher Nelson" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 16:09:21 -0600 Subject: [Eskrima] Info on NC Kali/Eskrima/Silat Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Everybody-- I'm moving to Chapel Hill, North Carolina this summer, and I'd appreciate any information on kali/eskrima or silat training in the area. I've been doing Inosanto blend Kali and PFS-style JKD here in Chicago for the last couple of years, and I have a background in Aikido. If anyone has any suggestions, please e-mail me. Thanks, Chris Nelson _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net, the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 19:58:48 PST Subject: [Eskrima] [Policedo] Habermehl tapes Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Forwarded message from the Policedo list... Have any of you seen, or have any opinions of Chuck Habermehl's tapes (Ultimate Officer Survival, Entry Team Combative, Escape Combatives, Ground Combatives). Would appreciate anyone's opinions. Thanks Gary g.dejarnett@ttu.edu --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net, eskrima@martialartsresource.net, policedo@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 21:38:06 PST Subject: [Eskrima] National D-Day Museum Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net One of the things I did recently, after attending the recent Hapkido - Tang Soo Do - Taekwondo seminar in Mississippi, was visit the National D-Day Museum in New Orleans. A project of historian Stephen E. Ambrose, it is WWII based. As it turned out it was only a mile or so from the hotel that I was staying at while in New Orleans. I spent a few hours there on Tuesday, $10 to get in. In addition to the requisite maps, equipment, timelines, etc. many museums have, there were also a good number of short 2 min films that gave "personal accounts" from several of the men and women that were involved. Not only the event that we have come to think of as "D-Day", the Normandy invasion of 6 June 1944, but also the 120 some D-Days that occurred in the Pacific Theater of WWII. My uncle, Clarence "Red" Gaines Massie, Jr. (1921-1974), was a US Marine in the Pacific during WWII. He was very proud of the fact that he had been a Marine, that he -was- a Marine, but he would seldom talk of his experiences during WWII. How now I wish I had at least tried to get him to talk more about what he went through. Perhaps he would not have had any interest in discussing it, but... once they are gone you don't have the option of even trying. I can't ask my uncle about his experiences. But hopefully by sharing this you won't make the same mistake. Take the time to ask, and listen if they wish to talk. Get your own real life "personal account" of what they went through, for us... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest