Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 01:59:23 -0800 (PST) From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #92 - 4 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sender: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: Inayan Eskrima / FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Today's Topics: 1. Filipino History (Couleeone@aol.com) 2. RE: : [Eskrima] Legality of Using Closed Knife as Palm Stick (Mike Casto) 3. Eskrima Instructors in Angeles City, PI ? (Ken McDonough) 4. Re: Afgan War photos (Bill Lowery) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Couleeone@aol.com Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 00:09:20 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Filipino History Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Who ever is posting the essay on Filipino history thank you as it is very informative and interesting! George Hoover --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 03:46:33 -0600 From: Mike Casto Subject: RE: : [Eskrima] Legality of Using Closed Knife as Palm Stick To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net My personal take (don't know how well it would stand up in court) is that if I've got a closed knife (specifically a "combat folder") in my hand and I don't open it then I am doing everything in my power not to kill him because if I wanted him dead I could open the knife at any point and cut/stab. I'm making a special effort *not* to kill him. Mike -----Original Message----- From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net [mailto:eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net]On Behalf Of argyll@attbi.com Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 1:35 PM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: : [Eskrima] Legality of Using Closed Knife as Palm Stick This is one of those legal questions for which there is no simple answer. Generally speaking in the United States whether you defend yourself with the end of a closed knife, a beer bottle, or a stick picked up off the ground, the real issue is whether the force used was legally justified. (Of course juries may percieve different instruments differently.) Depending on the circumstances one could always face the threat of being charged with assault with a deadly weapon. States vary as to what constitutes a deadly weapon for purposes for this crime. In some states bare hands and feet qualify, in others some object must be involved even if its just the shoe on the foot. Section 210.0 of the Model Penal Code, as referenced in Black's Law Dictionary, defines "deadly weapon" as "[a]ny firearm, or other weapon, device, instrument, material or substance, whether animate or inanimate, which in the manner it is used or is intended to be used is known to be capable of producing death or serious bodily injury." (Black's Law Dict. (6th ed. 1990) p. 398, col. 1.) In California the courts have said that "a 'deadly weapon' is 'any object, instrument, or weapon which is used in such a manner as to be capable of producing and likely to produce, death or great bodily injury.' . . 'Some few objects, such as dirks and blackjacks, have been held to be deadly weapons as a matter of law; the ordinary use for which they are designed establishes their character as such. . . . 'Other objects, while not deadly per se, may be used, under certain circumstances, in a manner likely to produce death or great bodily injury. In determining whether an object not inherently deadly or dangerous is used as such, the trier of fact may consider the nature of the object, the manner in which it is used, and all other facts relevant to the issue." People v. Aguilar (1997) 16 Cal.4th 1023 Sorry for the legnth. This is just my personal opinion, if really concerned its always best to consult with a lawyer familiar with local laws. Best regards, Argyll PS I recently did some quick-and-dirty research on Findlaw.com on how possession of escrima sticks might be treated under Califoria law. If your interested the results are at: http://www.martialtalk.com/showthread.php?s=d5f063478a83d 6b49805b964c314eb19&postid=9419#post9419 (Bottom-line if stopped by the police be sure not to refer to them as weapons. Possible alternative might be "training stick") _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 04:35:14 -0800 (PST) From: Ken McDonough To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Eskrima Instructors in Angeles City, PI ? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Can anyone here recommend any good instructors in Angeles City, Philippines ? Please let me know. Privately would be better at the stated address. Thanks, Ken McD... Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Bill Lowery" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Afgan War photos Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 13:27:45 -0000 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Mr McGrath, Sorry, I don't get the humour here. Clear photographs, certainly - but where is the humour in a number of people been blown to hell? Even if they are on the "wrong" side. Bill Lowery --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest