Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:35:46 -0800 (PST) From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #93 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sender: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: Inayan Eskrima / FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Today's Topics: 1. Re: National D-Day Museum (Patrick Davies) 2. Info ? (Ray Terry) 3. Legality of Using Closed Knife as Palm Stick (AnimalMac@aol.com) 4. Re: Legality of Using Closed Knife as Palm Stick (Ray Terry) 5. Sifu Cass Magda Seminar (Rachel) 6. Re: MAGDA SEMINAR in Charlotte NC (Magdainst@aol.com) 7. RE: Legality of Using Closed Knife as Palm Stick (Mike Casto) 8. Re: Instructor's in Angeles City (BJArtigas@aol.com) 9. Afghan photos (Bill McG) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Patrick Davies To: 'eskrima digest' Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 09:31:16 -0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: National D-Day Museum Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net A friend of mine recently found out his grandfather was involved in the 2nd WW & , I believe, the D Day landings and went to the Gordon Highlanders museum here in Aberdeen. He had not really considered it before but was quite moved and has described to me that it has changed his values. I hope people do remember that the Hollywood films are not historically correct and that it was an Allied effort with casualties from forces throughout the world. I can remember my late grandad telling me bedtimes stories of his time in the RAF using his rolled up cigarette in the dark as a description - which I will not repeat here in respect to the German listers who may themselves have lost families at that time. Ray Terry: One of the things I did recently, after attending the recent Hapkido - Tang Soo Do - Taekwondo seminar in Mississippi, was visit the National D-Day Museum in New Orleans. A project of historian Stephen E. Ambrose, it is WWII based. Snip I can't ask my uncle about his experiences. But hopefully by sharing this you won't make the same mistake. Take the time to ask, and listen if they wish to talk. Get your own real life "personal account" of what they went through, for us... Patrick M Davies Aberdeen Martial Arts Group --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 07:15:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Eskrima] Info ? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Anyone have any info re this question.?.?. Ray -------------------------------------------------------- Hello,Looking for documented proof and information on 5 time all phillipines kickboxing champion Manny Bueno.He is 50 now and about 180lbs.I assume his victories were in the late '60's and through the '70's.Please advise if you have any info on this fighter. Thank You,Barry --__--__-- Message: 3 From: AnimalMac@aol.com Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:32:54 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Legality of Using Closed Knife as Palm Stick Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >From Marc Animal MacYoung Mike Castro said << 'Other objects, while not deadly per se, may be used, under certain circumstances, in a manner likely to produce death or great bodily injury. In determining whether an object not inherently deadly or dangerous is used as such, the trier of fact may consider the nature of the object, the manner in which it is used, and all other facts relevant to the issue." People v. Aguilar (1997) 16 Cal.4th 1023 >> Ah Miguel mi amigo, your post points out why it is it critical for anyone who even considers carrying a knife to receive bona fide training on judicious use of lethal force...and once that is done, compare ANYTHING a martial arts instructor tells them to those standards. You will often find those two standards no where close to one another and it is that difference that will ream you. In other words, listening to an MA expert on the legal use of knife work is like taking advice from those guys who tell you you legally can not pay taxes. They ain't the ones going to get into trouble for following their advice, you are. Quite literally, if you get a pissy DA he can -- and will -- charge you with using a lethal force instrument no matter how you used it (the name of the charges vary according to state). You had better have made damn sure that you can justify that use; and explain to others that justification -- in a way that makes sense to them -- why you used a knife on somebody else. Otherwise you may have won the battle, but you are going to lose the war. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Legality of Using Closed Knife as Palm Stick To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 9:53:09 PST Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > In other words, listening to an MA expert on the legal use of knife work is > like taking advice from those guys who tell you you legally can not pay > taxes. They ain't the ones going to get into trouble for following their > advice, you are. You're generalizing now. I suspect several (many?) MA experts have taken classes from Mas Ayoob, or at least read his work. Those that haven't, should... IMHO, Mas provides some of the best instruction into the justified use of deadly force -and- what can happen should one employ same. But I as you indicate, one should not only answer the questions, but question the answers. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:29:37 -0800 (PST) From: Rachel To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Sifu Cass Magda Seminar Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sifu Cass Magda Seminar When: April 6 & 7, 2002 Where: Hoy's Martial Arts, Cleveland, OH Times: 10 - 12:30; 2 - 4:30 both days Cost: Non-Member Pre-register $65/day Non-Member Regular Register $75/day Member Pre-register $60/day Member Regular Register $70/day Pre-register by March 29, 2002 Material Covered: Advanced JKD Strategies and Tactics Buka Jalan Pentjak Silat Filipino Kali Contact: Chris Hoy (216)965-5425 hoy_mafa@yahoo.com Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Magdainst@aol.com Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:00:38 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: MAGDA SEMINAR in Charlotte NC Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Cass Magda will be giving a seminar this weekend march 16-17th in Charlotte NC. He will be covering JKD, FMA various including knife work and counter knife work using Indonesian Pentjak Silat systems. Will be emphasizing Serak, Harimau, Tjikalon , Tjimande and others. Contact Randy Clontz (704) 753-3606 SEMagda@carolina.rr.com Regards Magda Institute --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 17:24:19 -0600 From: Mike Casto Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Legality of Using Closed Knife as Palm Stick To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Er ... umm ... I didn't write that ... but valid points nonetheless :-) Mike -----Original Message----- From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net [mailto:eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net]On Behalf Of AnimalMac@aol.com Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 10:33 AM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Legality of Using Closed Knife as Palm Stick From Marc Animal MacYoung Mike Castro said << 'Other objects, while not deadly per se, may be used, under certain circumstances, in a manner likely to produce death or great bodily injury. In determining whether an object not inherently deadly or dangerous is used as such, the trier of fact may consider the nature of the object, the manner in which it is used, and all other facts relevant to the issue." People v. Aguilar (1997) 16 Cal.4th 1023 >> Ah Miguel mi amigo, your post points out why it is it critical for anyone who even considers carrying a knife to receive bona fide training on judicious use of lethal force...and once that is done, compare ANYTHING a martial arts instructor tells them to those standards. You will often find those two standards no where close to one another and it is that difference that will ream you. In other words, listening to an MA expert on the legal use of knife work is like taking advice from those guys who tell you you legally can not pay taxes. They ain't the ones going to get into trouble for following their advice, you are. Quite literally, if you get a pissy DA he can -- and will -- charge you with using a lethal force instrument no matter how you used it (the name of the charges vary according to state). You had better have made damn sure that you can justify that use; and explain to others that justification -- in a way that makes sense to them -- why you used a knife on somebody else. Otherwise you may have won the battle, but you are going to lose the war. _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 8 From: BJArtigas@aol.com Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:57:41 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Instructor's in Angeles City Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Ken, You can try Manong Lamberto Ticsay. He is based in Angeles City. If you give me a few days I can dig up his contact information. He was formerly the head of the Samhan Ng Arnis Ng Pilipinas out of FEU. (Sorry if I Misspelled.). Regards, Joe --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 23:16:46 -0800 From: Bill McG To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Afghan photos Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net It seems the caption on the bottom of the Afgan photos was a bit of an embellishment. To refresh everyone's memory; I wrote: "I received some close up photos of a Taliban convoy getting hit by rocket fire from a U.S. fighter jet and have put them on my web site. http://pekiti-tirsia.com/humor_page.htm Click the last entry marked "Taliban Fliers" Regards, Tuhon Bill McGrath" I then recieved the following email and have confirmed his info through another source. "Hi Bill, You should know that the 'taliban fliers' image is an urban legend - well, it really happened, but not recently. If I recall correctly the images date from the late 1980's, and are not TaliQueda bad guys. What really makes the image suspect are the inconsistent details: The vehicle is not a BMP, it's a BTR-70 or BTR-60. The blast is characteristic of a mine, probably command-detonated. If this was a JDAM or LGB strike you would not see the BTR smoking at the side of the road. There would be little left. I found this out after forwarding this to some Navy friends who work at the Strike Warfare cell at Fallon. Mark W." Bill Lowery asked: "Hi Mr McGrath, Sorry, I don't get the humour here. Clear photographs, certainly - but where is the humour in a number of people been blown to hell? Even if they are on the "wrong" side." The full description of the page reads: "On this page you will find my favorites among the humorous, strange and amazing video clips, pictures and mp3 files I receive via email." Some entries on the page are humorous, some are amazing and some are both. Attually, when I first saw the photos and thought that the soilders shown really were Taliban scum, I found the photos very humerous indeed. Now that I know the truth, I find them mearly amazing. Regards, Tuhon Bill McGrath PS.I have since changed the name of the page to "Humorous & Amazing Stuff Page" so as not to offend the sensitivities of the PC among us. PPS. I am looking foreword to one day getting some photos of some real Taliban getting blown (literally in my opinion) straight to hell. PPPS. The 11 O'clock news is on while I am writing this. The TV showed two giant floodlights being aimed into the sky from the World Trade Center site as a memorial. The 12 year old girl who flipped the switch lighting the floodlights lost her father (who was a Port Authority cop helping to evacuate the towers) in the attack. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest