Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:56:53 -0800 (PST) From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #94 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sender: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: Inayan Eskrima / FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Today's Topics: 1. Upcoming Carlos Machado Seminars! (John Bennett) 2. Legality of Using Closed Knife as Palm Stick (AnimalMac@aol.com) 3. (no subject) (Luis Pellicer III) 4. Re: I'm back (Kes41355@aol.com) 5. Re: Legality of Using Closed Knife as Palm Stick (Ray Terry) 6. GM Cacoy Canete seminar in Chico, CA (Ray Terry) 7. Manila Suspends Talks (Marc Denny) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "John Bennett" To: Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 23:15:13 -0600 Subject: [Eskrima] Upcoming Carlos Machado Seminars! Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu World Champion Carlos Machado is preparing an exciting seminar tour de force for the month of April! Do NOT miss this opportunity to sharpen your skills for the coming year. Add new techniques to your arsenal. Learn details that will super-charge your existing techniques. Please remember that space is limited. Contact the seminar hosts NOW and reserve your spot. Please do not wait. It saddens the hosts to turn people away, but the higher quality instruction Machado Jiu-Jitsu is known for requires smaller groups of participants. * Simpsonville, South Carolina * Saturday & Sunday, April 6 & 7, 2002 Ray Thompson's Upstate Karate 129 North Main Street http://upstatekarate.com Call 864-967-3930 or email raythompson@upstatekarate.com for more information. * Metro Houston Texas * Saturday & Sunday, April 13 & 14, 2002 Solis Martial Arts 1420 FM 1960 E Bypass #119 Humble, Texas http://solismartialarts.com Call 281-540-8443 or email cynthia@solismartialarts.com for more information. * Lubbock Texas * Saturday & Sunday, April 27 & 28, 2002 Pittman's Academy of Martial Arts 2233 34th Street Lubbock, Texas http://pittmanbjj.com Call 806-749-3656 for more information. These seminars are always great fun in addition to being great learning experiences! We hope to see you there! Machado Jiu-Jitsu Academy of Dallas, Texas 13720 Midway Road Suite 210 Dallas, Texas 75244 972-934-1316 http://www.carlosmachado.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: AnimalMac@aol.com Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 01:03:26 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Legality of Using Closed Knife as Palm Stick Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >From Marc MacYoung Ray said > You're generalizing now. I suspect several (many?) MA experts have taken > classes from Mas Ayoob, or at least read his work. Those that haven't, > should... IMHO, Mas provides some of the best instruction into the > justified use of deadly force -and- what can happen should one employ same. > Funny because I just saw a popular video by one of the leading "knife fighting experts" where he actually advocates cutting someone when the guy punches. Would he say he is encouraging that? Probably not if you asked him directly, but that is exactly what he demonstrates and explains. It's right there on the vid. Yep, slashing an unarmed opponent with a knife....guess who is going to go to jail over that one? While there are a few who might have paid the pistolis to attend either Mas's class or a similar one, I wouldn't go so far as to say that there are significant number of martial artists who have bothered to attend. In fact, I was the only non-firearms afficianado in the class that I attended. (While I am a competent shot and have carried guns professionally, I'm not overly enamoured of them. They are a good distance tools, but for close in work, I have found that they often cause more problems than they solve). When I asked, I was told that that the MA world wasn't exactly beating down the doors to get in. Odd since there is a distinct lethal force issue involved in many arts. Which if you think about it learning a weapons system and not learning the legalities of using that skill in the state and country that you live doesn't make much sense. And yet it is not a generalization to say that an overwhelming majority of martial art students have not attended any other kind of specialized training that deals with the repercussions of using their "skill." So let's throw this out to the list. There are how many hundreds of people on this list? How many folks have taken a class specifically oriented to keeping you out of prison if you ever have to use a weapon on someone? Not just listened to an instructor who claims to have done the research...but gone out yourself and attended this kind of training? Let's compare those who have, with the numbers on the list. >But I as you indicate, one should not only answer the questions, but question the answers. That is a standard I do abide by. But I think we are both in agreement that this kind of training is very important over and above martial arts schools and seminars. Now if you are just studying the MA for sport and recreation that is one thing, but if you are interested in self-defense application, then there is a lot more about this subject that needs to be looked into. And that includes not only staying out of jail, but also keeping from losing everything you own in civil litigation. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:58:50 +0800 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: Luis Pellicer III Subject: [Eskrima] (no subject) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >I felt that if Khalid could test me then I could at least have some >"certification" to pass on to this Karate school. On a lighter note, there's always the old Pinoy way of getting "certified"; "Fight plenty times, you live and other guys die, you can teach." :-) Funny how some prospective students are so hung up on a piece of paper that you may have, must be a different culture that I'm not used to. The best I've seen weren't certified. Hell, for that matter, the best I've seen probably weren't probably capable of WRITING OUT a certificate. :-) --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Kes41355@aol.com Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 08:35:42 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: I'm back Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi all, Well, I finally made it out of the hospital, complete with two brand spankin' new sets of knees. Things are going very well so far, (I'm 3 weeks out from surgery now), and therapy has become a real character builder, to say the least. I did end up staying in the hospital a few days longer than expected; I developed multiple blood clots in my lungs, which caused me to be stuck in bed for a few days until the docs felt comfortable with my getting up and moving again. I do know that I plan to slow down considerably now, though. The pain after surgery was much less than the pain I was in before, and the surgery wasn't anywhere near as tough a procedure as I thought it would be. Still, I am going to try to make these new knees last...I'm not standing in line to have this done again!!!! Thanks to all for the many, many private E-mails I received wishing me well. Bahala Na, Kim Satterfield --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Legality of Using Closed Knife as Palm Stick To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 7:13:22 PST Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Funny because I just saw a popular video by one of the leading "knife > fighting experts" where he actually advocates cutting someone when the guy > punches. Ok, there is one, and I'm sure there are more. My point was simply that you made a sweeping generalization. Plus you specified MA experts, not just martial artists. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net, policedo@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 9:20:32 PST Subject: [Eskrima] GM Cacoy Canete seminar in Chico, CA Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Doce Pares GM Cacoy Canete will be teaching an Eskrima/Eskrido seminar in Chico, California on Saturday, April 6, 10AM to 5PM. Contact Chuck Epperson at 530-895-8257 (Epperson Bros. Kenpo Karate in Chico, 977 East Ave.) for more info. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:04:25 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Manila Suspends Talks Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Manila Suspends Talks With Rebels After Allegations of al Qaeda Links By JAY SOLOMON Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL MANILA, Philippines -- President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo suspended formal peace talks with country's largest Muslim rebel army, following mounting allegations that the group is tied to the al Qaeda terrorist network. Ms. Arroyo said she would propose informal negotiations with the Moro Islamic Liberation Front, in hopes of speeding up an end to the decades-old war in the south. "My decision now is to suspend the peace panels and return to back-channeling, which in my experience and observation moves things faster," she said in her new weekly radio program Monday, the Associated Press reported. The Philippine government and the MILF are observing a year-old cease-fire, but allegations by Philippine security forces that the MILF is violating the truce, as well as continuing to cooperate with al Qaeda, prompted the government to postpone peace talks last week. The latest allegations of MILF involvement with al Qaeda stem from the arrests in November and December of four Arab men whom Philippine officials say formed an al Qaeda "sleeper cell" in Southeast Asia. The four -- two Palestinians and two Jordanians -- are being held for illegal possession of firearms and violations of Philippine immigration laws. But Philippine officials say they believe the men served a broader role for al Qaeda, supplying arms and munitions to Islamist groups in the country, as well as recruiting for Osama bin Laden's terrorist organization. The MILF is alleged to have trained Islamist militants from a number of countries at its camps on the Philippine island of Mindanao. Philippine police say that one of the arrested men, a Palestinian named Mohammad Sabri Selamah, has worked closely with Mr. bin Laden's brother-in-law, Mohammad Jamal Khalifah, in running an Islamic charity in the southern Philippines. The charity is believed to have provided funding to the MILF and Abu Sayyaf, an Islamic gang that is holding an American couple hostage on Basilan island, in the south. The second Palestinian, Ahmad Abed Masrie, Philippine police say, once roomed in Manila with Ramzi Yousef, the convicted mastermind of the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center. Andrea Domingo, commissioner of the Philippines Bureau of Immigration, said these men "were supporting terrorist activities in the Philippines and other countries." The police say they have also tied the MILF to the Jemaah Islamiyah, a regional Islamic group allegedly behind a plot to blow up the U.S. and Israeli embassies in Singapore. In January, Philippine police arrested Fathur Rohman al-Ghozi, an Indonesian citizen, and three MILF members for allegedly trying to ship a ton of explosives into Singapore for the attack. They also say Mr. Ghozi and an MILF accomplice bombed a rail line in Manila in late 2000, killing 22 people. The MILF roundly denies that it is cooperating with al Qaeda and blames the military for trumping up the charges to sabotage the peace process. MILF commanders say the Philippine military is trying to use terrorism charges to drive MILF into conflict with the nearly 700 U.S. troops that are deployed in the southern Philippines to aid Manila's war against the Abu Sayyaf and operating in areas where MILF is active. The four detained Arab men deny that they are members of al Qaeda or that they broke Philippine laws. -- James Hookway contributed to this article. Write to Jay Solomon at jay.solomon@wsj.com Updated March 12, 2002 --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest